108dash3

College degrees are not a test of intelligence. Any monkey can study for and pass a test. You can't earn IQ points and you'll never outwit me. Nice try though.
Why shouldn't everyone here get a piece of the pie? No solidarity on your part.
And you're ok being the lowest paid in the industry? I'm not, and will never settle for an 'above average 50 seat' contract. Ever. WE deserve the very best. NOW. Not in 3 years. Now is the time to stand together and make happen what's right. I'm not fighting against our management. I'm willing to stand with our line brothers and sisters in solidarity and hold out for real compensation. Of which we have all earned.
Take your MBA and go drive a cab. And settle for 'above average'. You like fat chicks and cheap beer, don't you?

CBreezy

What have you done besides run your mouth and jump ship to this "bottom of the barrel" yet empirically superior to every single other regional?

AviHaters

LMAO! Are you seriously saying the pilots wanted marginal gains????
Or is that something you got from your "two masters degrees from a very good school"

Most of the good gains we got was in the companys interest. One example is the AR.. They had pilots sitting there for 10 hours and was useless at the end of the shift, due to FDP... Something they realized and keeping them there shorter is a huge benefit for utilizing reserves better. Not that we will ever have many AR available...

FlyingKat

I don't think its the pay rates as much as the bonus that has everyone upset. If they had put a decent bonus in there, say $5-$10,000 for everyone off probation then this would pass easily.

CBreezy

When I talked to my rep, I asked for us to go into full negotiations but he said the vast majority of pilots opted for marginal gains and a contract extension. Go to a road show and ask the negotiating committee or the MEC. They'll show you the data. Until then, have fun voting no...Oh wair...you can't

FlyingKat

Actually voting no would give the MEC a stronger hand in negotiating a better deal with management....

FlyingKat

Exactly. They will tweak a few things, like the CA pay rates and the bonus, and send it back with just enough to get 50 % +1....

AviHaters

The survey was extremely vague. You can poll a group and ask general questions about what they want. But if you dont put actual numbers in a poll, say "would you accept 1, 5, 10, 20% gains in pay", it becomes subjective what gains was expected.

And nice try suggesting that I am a new hire that didnt take survey and cant vote. I probably have more seniority than you do.

CBreezy

Voting no on a contract doesn't necessarily give them leverage. It's okay to vote yes for the first time on a contract proposal. The union has been working on this since January of last year. Just because you vote no doesn't automatically guarantee a better deal.

108dash3

Hey look everybody! Frank Lorenzo Jr. would probably give up his entire paycheck just to fly an average 50 seater.(you were probably still dragging around a sh1tty diaper in 1989, but you should read up on Mr. Lorenzo to get this reference. Hint: he busted labor unions for their pay.)You need to start relating with who you really are at this company: labor.
For someone with an education behind glass on your 'I love ME' wall wherever you live, you're pretty dumb when it comes to labor/management relations. And yes, so is our MEC. I voted for negotiation, not extension. You see, I didn't jump ship from anywhere. I've lived my life and my path brought me to TSA, for which I'm not complaining. It was my choice and this very opportunity we have at our feet is why. I have plenty of airline experience to back it up. This is a good place to be right now, but I will never settle for 'above average' and neither should you. Or ANY of you. We are professionals and now is the time to stand up and make change here. Let's open up the pockets of this company's notorious tight ways and actually get FAIR compensation. Not settle for above average in a below average industry. Breezy, either this is the only place you've ever worked and don't know any better, or you just don't know any better. You are the minority and I hope this mature pilot group proves me right when we vote.