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Old 08-30-2015, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Coneydog View Post
It wasn't meant as a 'burn' man. Calm down buddy. As I said, just not enough incentive for me to vote yes. No one is getting huffy or talking about Jet Blue rates.
I believe calling someone management is a burn. That's why you said it...either as an insult or to discredit my opinion.
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Old 08-30-2015, 08:36 AM
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Have a buddy looking at coming here but only if he can get Denver. What's going on with Denver and what is the time frame on the growth?
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Old 08-30-2015, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post
I believe calling someone management is a burn. That's why you said it...either as an insult or to discredit my opinion.
Well, I often find your opinion to be ridiculous; however, I'm not trying to discredit you. You are entitled to your opinion. For the record, I fully support our MEC...I just think a better deal can get done in a relatively short period of time. Trans States needs pilots badly.
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Old 08-30-2015, 08:52 AM
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I have the excel before and after in front of me. They are very minor improvements.
Any chance you can share those specific improvements? We at RAH are curious.
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Old 08-30-2015, 08:52 AM
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Breezy there is no amount of pistol whipping sufficient enough to knock the stupid out of you. Please refer to your last 10+ posts and tell us all again you're not a management stooge. Of all the times to not defend your peers and stand united for what we all truly deserve and have earned through years of low wages and strife, you are dead wrong. WE are contract labor. This extension is an insult for thoses of us who have paved the way for new hires. I am voting NO and encourage those of you who are eligible to do the same. People like Breezy would cross the line if we struck tomorrow.

Further more, the only Major airlines who use PBS were awarded it in bankruptcy contracts. That should tell you something. Kiss all your conflict bidding in vacation and training months goodbye. No more 200% open time trips. Flexibility in your life will disappear if you're not in the top 10%.
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Old 08-30-2015, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post
Assuming the current hiring trend continues, if this gets voted down, all Captains on property won't see another pay raise, health care improvement, 401k improvement, or min day until they get hired at a major carrier...if this company remains solvent for that long.

This is an extension, not a new contract. If you wanted a new contract, you should've let your MEC know. This is really your fault.
Dude, you need to listen to yourself! "This is really your fault".... Maybe the pilot group were willing to take an extension if the gains made were big enough... These current gains lack some meat on the bones.

The biggest gains are for new hires, and that really is just a company benefit. They need these new rates ASAP to attract pilots.

You seem to assume that we will go into full blown negotiations if we vote this down. I think the MEC and company will sit down and adjust the current offer first. If you bend over and take it in a pilots market, then we really are doomed. (bring the lube)
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Old 08-30-2015, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 108dash3 View Post
Breezy there is no amount of pistol whipping sufficient enough to knock the stupid out of you. Please refer to your last 10+ posts and tell us all again you're not a management stooge. Of all the times to not defend your peers and stand united for what we all truly deserve and have earned through years of low wages and strife, you are dead wrong. WE are contract labor. This extension is an insult for thoses of us who have paved the way for new hires. I am voting NO and encourage those of you who are eligible to do the same. People like Breezy would cross the line if we struck tomorrow.

Further more, the only Major airlines who use PBS were awarded it in bankruptcy contracts. That should tell you something. Kiss all your conflict bidding in vacation and training months goodbye. No more 200% open time trips. Flexibility in your life will disappear if you're not in the top 10%.
I'll let my free bachelor's and two master's degrees one of which is an MBA from a very good school speak for the level of my intelligence.

This extension contains major gains in pay to the lowest paid workers in the industry. I'm sorry the guys making almost $80k a year are feeling bad for themselves for not getting their piece of the pie too...not to mention that the Captains here are paid better than most 50 seat operators in the country and, in a few years, will hold the top spot. But yes, I'm the man trying to keep your unintelligant butts down. But, like a true moron, since you can't back it up with any facts, you only resort to having to hit me with a pistol. You mad bro? Maybe take it easy on Fox News for awhile.
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Old 08-30-2015, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 108dash3 View Post
Breezy there is no amount of pistol whipping sufficient enough to knock the stupid out of you. Please refer to your last 10+ posts and tell us all again you're not a management stooge. Of all the times to not defend your peers and stand united for what we all truly deserve and have earned through years of low wages and strife, you are dead wrong. WE are contract labor. This extension is an insult for thoses of us who have paved the way for new hires. I am voting NO and encourage those of you who are eligible to do the same. People like Breezy would cross the line if we struck tomorrow.

Further more, the only Major airlines who use PBS were awarded it in bankruptcy contracts. That should tell you something. Kiss all your conflict bidding in vacation and training months goodbye. No more 200% open time trips. Flexibility in your life will disappear if you're not in the top 10%.
Agreed. This is the type of guy that even if he worked at Mesa Or Great Lakes would be defending the company line. Claiming that he has "plenty of friends" he goes to concerts with or whatever the hell he told me a few pages back is obviously a lie because he trolls this thread 24/7 while jerking it with Mav. No amount of reason or Logic will get through to a guy like that. Everything from WHAT he says to HOW he says it is a joke. I hate to get personal but this guy seriously takes the cake.
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Old 08-30-2015, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by AviHaters View Post
Dude, you need to listen to yourself! "This is really your fault".... Maybe the pilot group were willing to take an extension if the gains made were big enough... These current gains lack some meat on the bones.

The biggest gains are for new hires, and that really is just a company benefit. They need these new rates ASAP to attract pilots.

You seem to assume that we will go into full blown negotiations if we vote this down. I think the MEC and company will sit down and adjust the current offer first. If you bend over and take it in a pilots market, then we really are doomed. (bring the lube)
I am listening to myself. The pilots wanted an extension with marginal gains. That's from their mouth. Reduction in health care, increase in the schedule of 401k, significant increases in FO pay. Close the reroute loophole. Relief on AR. Those are marginal gains. You wouldn't know though because you weren't here when the survey went out.
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Old 08-30-2015, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DenverPilot8 View Post
Agreed. This is the type of guy that even if he worked at Mesa Or Great Lakes would be defending the company line. Claiming that he has "plenty of friends" he goes to concerts with or whatever the hell he told me a few pages back is obviously a lie because he trolls this thread 24/7 while jerking it with Mav. No amount of reason or Logic will get through to a guy like that. Everything from WHAT he says to HOW he says it is a joke. I hate to get personal but this guy seriously takes the cake.
You must miss the part where I tell Mesa pilots that $22/hr is embarrasing. So is $25/an hour.

I think this deal is fine. It makes TSA pilots the best paid pilots in the industry. When PBS rolls around, with a min day or rig, no one will be close.

Oh and if I'm an idiot, so is your entire MEC that unanimously voted to send this for ratification.
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