History Repeats itself with RPC
06-06-2011 | 07:38 AM
#31
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Cue the Ben Franklin hang together or hang separately quote...
06-06-2011 | 08:08 AM
#32
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Isn't history supposed to be what actually happened?
Open Letter to Pat Gannon (Local 357 ExCo Chair):
Pat,
I’ve tried to stay out of this but can no longer. You have repeatedly taken the position of “honesty” and “truth.”
I am politely and professionally requesting that your messages to the pilots be truthful and factual. You have made several statements to your members that simply are not true (surprise, your members send your communications to us). I am not accusing you of lying, it’s entirely possible you simply misunderstood or you are misinformed. Please verify your facts before claiming them as such.
1- We did NOT say we had “no interest” in our committees working together.
2- We did NOT tell IBT (or anyone else) that we wanted you or the ExCo out of leadership under the RPC – quite the opposite.
3- We HAVE tried and HAVE had discussions on how to come together – but the “together” has been IBT way or the highway
4- We have NOT said your negotiations should be put on hold – we have said the opposite
5- We have NOT said everything smaller than an Airbus should be outsourced.
6- CHT CBA Representation, dues and contract would NOT be controlled by FAPA under the RPC
7- You have NOT offered us guaranteed positions or 357 representation on a Transitional Executive Council
8- RAH is/has NOT attempted to “whipsaw” the groups by offering your 2003 E190 rates to us.
These are only some of the statements you have made that are simply not true. There is a difference between campaign “spin” and false claims, if you truly want to unite the groups and win over Frontier pilots I suggest you learn the difference.
Feel free (in fact I encourage you to) share this email with your members, on APC or anywhere else.
-Scott Gould
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Vice President
Frontier Airline Pilots Association
Open Letter to Pat Gannon (Local 357 ExCo Chair):
Pat,
I’ve tried to stay out of this but can no longer. You have repeatedly taken the position of “honesty” and “truth.”
I am politely and professionally requesting that your messages to the pilots be truthful and factual. You have made several statements to your members that simply are not true (surprise, your members send your communications to us). I am not accusing you of lying, it’s entirely possible you simply misunderstood or you are misinformed. Please verify your facts before claiming them as such.
1- We did NOT say we had “no interest” in our committees working together.
2- We did NOT tell IBT (or anyone else) that we wanted you or the ExCo out of leadership under the RPC – quite the opposite.
3- We HAVE tried and HAVE had discussions on how to come together – but the “together” has been IBT way or the highway
4- We have NOT said your negotiations should be put on hold – we have said the opposite
5- We have NOT said everything smaller than an Airbus should be outsourced.
6- CHT CBA Representation, dues and contract would NOT be controlled by FAPA under the RPC
7- You have NOT offered us guaranteed positions or 357 representation on a Transitional Executive Council
8- RAH is/has NOT attempted to “whipsaw” the groups by offering your 2003 E190 rates to us.
These are only some of the statements you have made that are simply not true. There is a difference between campaign “spin” and false claims, if you truly want to unite the groups and win over Frontier pilots I suggest you learn the difference.
Feel free (in fact I encourage you to) share this email with your members, on APC or anywhere else.
-Scott Gould
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Vice President
Frontier Airline Pilots Association
06-06-2011 | 08:10 AM
#33
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Yes you are correct! It's amazing to me how the right seems to blow things out of proportion to make a point. Data shows it's ONLY 47% of the population do NOT pay taxes. That's fair because the rich and greedy people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett use their money to keep the "poor" in their place so they can make even more money. Aside from that, both Gates and Buffett were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and never had to work a day in their lives. All capital should be distributed evenly so we can all be happy. Airline Pilots could make the same income as the Hot Dog Cart owner because we all had the same ambition in life to get ahead and support out families. Heck, I wish the United Nations would outlaw borders so the planet could live in peace and harmony. One world, one income = Happiness. Aint life grand?
You might want to think twice before you use Buffett as an example. During the Bush years he went public complaining that the tax codes were skewed to the rich. He was paying a smaller percentage of tax than his secretary at the time.
06-06-2011 | 09:28 AM
#34
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My fave Faultpush quote:
"The last time I checked, the SLI arbitration hasn't been decided yet. Until the arbitration is decided, you'll see both sides presenting their cases. To each side, the other's argument is ridiculous (e.g. I've heard that RAH asked for a 7 to 1 ratio). In the end, the arbitrator decides what is "fair and equitable", and we live with that. You won't find FAPA pulling a USAir over the outcome of the arbitration, and I hope that IBT wouldn't either. "
Yeah,mmm hmmm.....This must be "living with it",yeah buddy...
"The last time I checked, the SLI arbitration hasn't been decided yet. Until the arbitration is decided, you'll see both sides presenting their cases. To each side, the other's argument is ridiculous (e.g. I've heard that RAH asked for a 7 to 1 ratio). In the end, the arbitrator decides what is "fair and equitable", and we live with that. You won't find FAPA pulling a USAir over the outcome of the arbitration, and I hope that IBT wouldn't either. "
Yeah,mmm hmmm.....This must be "living with it",yeah buddy...
06-06-2011 | 10:14 AM
#35
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From: 747 Captain, retired
Figures a guy with the username "LeftWing" would cry foul to the truth. 
Why More Americans Pay No Income Tax
Why More Americans Pay No Income Tax
"The real issue is that millions of Americans no longer have any skin in the game and are becoming inoculated from the basic cost of government. To them, government seems free and politicians can easily convince them to support more and more spending because someone else is going to pay the tab. This trend deserves a broader national discussion than either party in Washington seems willing to engage in."
Now somebody mentioned earlier about a thread drift, so I'm outta here.
06-06-2011 | 10:42 AM
#36
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What about a "Flat Tax"? Everybody pays the exact same percentage, payroll deducted, no exemptions, no deductions, no "loopholes" for anyone to exploit. Simple, fair, everyone uderstands it. The more you make, the more you pay, but -everyone- earning an income, pays the same percnetage, period. Back when Steve Forbes was pitching the idea, I think that percentage was only 17% across the board, everyone paying the same 17% of gross income. From Bill Gates down to the kid at the car wash.
Of course first you would have to get that legislation by the CPA PAC, because thousands of CPA's would be out of work the next day, and the IRS Gubmint worker's PAC, because thousands of IRS workers would be out unemployed the next day, and and and...
Of course first you would have to get that legislation by the CPA PAC, because thousands of CPA's would be out of work the next day, and the IRS Gubmint worker's PAC, because thousands of IRS workers would be out unemployed the next day, and and and...
06-06-2011 | 11:11 AM
#38
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Isn't history supposed to be what actually happened?
Open Letter to Pat Gannon (Local 357 ExCo Chair):
Pat,
I’ve tried to stay out of this but can no longer. You have repeatedly taken the position of “honesty” and “truth.”
I am politely and professionally requesting that your messages to the pilots be truthful and factual. You have made several statements to your members that simply are not true (surprise, your members send your communications to us). I am not accusing you of lying, it’s entirely possible you simply misunderstood or you are misinformed. Please verify your facts before claiming them as such.
1- We did NOT say we had “no interest” in our committees working together.
2- We did NOT tell IBT (or anyone else) that we wanted you or the ExCo out of leadership under the RPC – quite the opposite.
3- We HAVE tried and HAVE had discussions on how to come together – but the “together” has been IBT way or the highway
4- We have NOT said your negotiations should be put on hold – we have said the opposite
5- We have NOT said everything smaller than an Airbus should be outsourced.
6- CHT CBA Representation, dues and contract would NOT be controlled by FAPA under the RPC
7- You have NOT offered us guaranteed positions or 357 representation on a Transitional Executive Council
8- RAH is/has NOT attempted to “whipsaw” the groups by offering your 2003 E190 rates to us.
These are only some of the statements you have made that are simply not true. There is a difference between campaign “spin” and false claims, if you truly want to unite the groups and win over Frontier pilots I suggest you learn the difference.
Feel free (in fact I encourage you to) share this email with your members, on APC or anywhere else.
-Scott Gould
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Vice President
Frontier Airline Pilots Association
Open Letter to Pat Gannon (Local 357 ExCo Chair):
Pat,
I’ve tried to stay out of this but can no longer. You have repeatedly taken the position of “honesty” and “truth.”
I am politely and professionally requesting that your messages to the pilots be truthful and factual. You have made several statements to your members that simply are not true (surprise, your members send your communications to us). I am not accusing you of lying, it’s entirely possible you simply misunderstood or you are misinformed. Please verify your facts before claiming them as such.
1- We did NOT say we had “no interest” in our committees working together.
2- We did NOT tell IBT (or anyone else) that we wanted you or the ExCo out of leadership under the RPC – quite the opposite.
3- We HAVE tried and HAVE had discussions on how to come together – but the “together” has been IBT way or the highway
4- We have NOT said your negotiations should be put on hold – we have said the opposite
5- We have NOT said everything smaller than an Airbus should be outsourced.
6- CHT CBA Representation, dues and contract would NOT be controlled by FAPA under the RPC
7- You have NOT offered us guaranteed positions or 357 representation on a Transitional Executive Council
8- RAH is/has NOT attempted to “whipsaw” the groups by offering your 2003 E190 rates to us.
These are only some of the statements you have made that are simply not true. There is a difference between campaign “spin” and false claims, if you truly want to unite the groups and win over Frontier pilots I suggest you learn the difference.
Feel free (in fact I encourage you to) share this email with your members, on APC or anywhere else.
-Scott Gould
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Vice President
Frontier Airline Pilots Association
06-06-2011 | 12:33 PM
#39
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From: FO - 757/767
Yes you are correct! It's amazing to me how the right seems to blow things out of proportion to make a point. Data shows it's ONLY 47% of the population do NOT pay taxes. That's fair because the rich and greedy people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett use their money to keep the "poor" in their place so they can make even more money. Aside from that, both Gates and Buffett were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and never had to work a day in their lives. All capital should be distributed evenly so we can all be happy. Airline Pilots could make the same income as the Hot Dog Cart owner because we all had the same ambition in life to get ahead and support out families. Heck, I wish the United Nations would outlaw borders so the planet could live in peace and harmony. One world, one income = Happiness. Aint life grand?
06-06-2011 | 12:58 PM
#40
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However, I would expect that whomever runs in the E Board election will run with a slate. I would also expect any slate that gets elected would include members from Frontier and probably Midwest for the votes and experience. Our negotiating committee includes a former Midwest pilot because of his experience.
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