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Old 06-06-2011 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LeftWing
That's not true.
Figures a guy with the username "LeftWing" would cry foul to the truth.

Why More Americans Pay No Income Tax
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Old 06-06-2011 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Yep. A three day bow hunt with the Nuge at Spirit Wild Ranch was my wedding gift. He's a hero in my book. Perhaps not the most PC, but certainly the most eloquent bloodbrother. I'm pretty much an atheist, but even I say "God bless him".
First of all, Dan nice post. After reading that I would vote for ibt357! Well said (maybe you should have chosen law)?
On a side note
To this poster "pretty much an atheist"? Come on! I guess I am "pretty much" a devout Catholic! If you're gonna take a stance (even if it's wrong), then grow some stones and take a stance!

Lastly, who cares if the nug is "pc". Like that is a gauge of character. "pc" is a fabrication to establish voting blocs.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 05:13 AM
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I love how someone writes a solid, informative post and all the responses are about uncle Teddy.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
Figures a guy with the username "LeftWing" would cry foul to the truth.

Why More Americans Pay No Income Tax
"Truth"? My statement was in response to;
50% of Americans don't pay any income tax
According to your own link;
This means 36 percent of all so-called taxpayers actually pay zero in income taxes after taking their credits and deductions.
But these figures don't include some 15 million people who work but don't earn enough to file a tax return. When these people are added to the non-payers, estimates the Tax Policy Center, the percentage of households who don't pay income taxes rises to 47 percent.
"Households" are different than taxpayers/nonpayers and cannot be the sum of a percentage and a hard number. Besides, there is a good reason that this additional 15 million don't have to pay tax on their low income.......as it should be. The more wealth on has, the more they benefit from society. The wealthier should pay more. Ironically, the wealthy are the ones with the most deductions and pay less.


BTW; I agree with Chris Rock's definition of wealth.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH
My question is still unanswered. How many reps could the F9 guys expect to have in domiciles, and in the EXCO? I may have heard wrong, but what I've heard sounds like tyranny of the majority (i.e. no guarantee of any representation at the EXCO level, and possibly lower).

I've seen the majority put a minority out of work at a previous airline.
The new bylaws of Local 357 require a 7 member Executive Board. A new election has been put off until this representation election election is over so that Frontier and Midwest pilots can run for positions. Frontier could have all 7 members if they ran and won. Our current ExCo Chair has stated that if he ran again, he would like to have atleast 1 Frontier pilot and 1 Midwest pilot on his slate to promote unity. Perhaps the current FAPA leadership could run together and win. Then you could have all 7 members. However since the positions would be volunteer positions, would your BoD be willing to run the union if they were not getting $ 42K as President, $35,700 as VP and Sec/Tres and $33,600 and $18,200 for base positions ($221,200 per year)?

You could have as many base reps as you could find. However keep in mind that under 357 bylaws these positions are not paid. I'm not sure how many Frontier pilots would be willing to do the job if they were not getting $33,600 a year for it.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by LeftWing
"Truth"? My statement was in response to;


According to your own link;
Touché.

Besides, there is a good reason that this additional 15 million don't have to pay tax on their low income.......as it should be. The more wealth on has, the more they benefit from society.
"To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

- Thomas Jefferson.

If you disagree, that's fine... but don't screw it up for everyone else.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by LeftWing
That's not true.
Yes you are correct! It's amazing to me how the right seems to blow things out of proportion to make a point. Data shows it's ONLY 47% of the population do NOT pay taxes. That's fair because the rich and greedy people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett use their money to keep the "poor" in their place so they can make even more money. Aside from that, both Gates and Buffett were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and never had to work a day in their lives. All capital should be distributed evenly so we can all be happy. Airline Pilots could make the same income as the Hot Dog Cart owner because we all had the same ambition in life to get ahead and support out families. Heck, I wish the United Nations would outlaw borders so the planet could live in peace and harmony. One world, one income = Happiness. Aint life grand?
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Old 06-06-2011 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by krudawg
ONLY 47% of the population do NOT pay taxes.
Income taxes.

Don't forget the 734 other forms of tax.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 06:59 AM
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What about a "Flat Tax"? Everybody pays the exact same percentage, payroll deducted, no exemptions, no deductions, no "loopholes" for anyone to exploit. Simple, fair, everyone uderstands it. The more you make, the more you pay, but -everyone- earning an income, pays the same percnetage, period. Back when Steve Forbes was pitching the idea, I think that percentage was only 17% across the board, everyone paying the same 17% of gross income. From Bill Gates down to the kid at the car wash.

Of course first you would have to get that legislation by the CPA PAC, because thousands of CPA's would be out of work the next day, and the IRS Gubmint worker's PAC, because thousands of IRS workers would be out unemployed the next day, and and and...

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Old 06-06-2011 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Slap Shot
The new bylaws of Local 357 require a 7 member Executive Board. ....You could have as many base reps as you could find. be willing to do the job if they were not getting $33,600 a year for it.
If I'm reading between the lines correctly, it's possible (given that RAH is 70% of the voting block), the F9 pilots could have absolutely no EXCO representation?
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