Jetblue and ALPA election
07-05-2011, 07:18 AM
#101
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by golfandfly
Whine, whine, whine...
I see you are now a proud member of the APA. How's that contract coming along? I'd say not so good. Is this ALPA's fault also?
What percent are you paying for your representation? I'd ask for a refund!
Maybe instead of bashing ALPA for all of the industry's problems, maybe you can say that most everyone has taken a hit in this post 9-11 economy.
SWA, FDX, and UPS haven't really taken it in the shorts. But what do they have in common? Maybe a strong business model and profitable companies? Instead of being such a hateful person, maybe you can see that even a large union can't save the industry.
I see you are now a proud member of the APA. How's that contract coming along? I'd say not so good. Is this ALPA's fault also?
What percent are you paying for your representation? I'd ask for a refund!
Maybe instead of bashing ALPA for all of the industry's problems, maybe you can say that most everyone has taken a hit in this post 9-11 economy.
SWA, FDX, and UPS haven't really taken it in the shorts. But what do they have in common? Maybe a strong business model and profitable companies? Instead of being such a hateful person, maybe you can see that even a large union can't save the industry.
I've heard if you pass that one, then you're invited to the "duck, dodge and hide" course.
There's no "hate" in me as I'm happier now away from ALPA then the decades of worthlessness within it. The point isn't the deficiencies of the APA (there are plenty). The question is, can a pilot group do just AS GOOD with in-house representation or another union as opposed to ALPA ?
The answer is a resounding YES !
The APA has done no worse for AA pilots then ALPA has for others (currently the best scope out there and cheaper too !) and SWA pilots and UPS have done just fine without the bloated overpaid and underperformers in Herndon, but if a pilot group wants to pay more money for equal or worse results, that's their choice and destiny, but it's especially sad with all the current information and repeated demonstrations of lack of ability ALPA has out there now as opposed those stuck with them for the last 10-40 years.
In America, everyone is free to become a sap as well as make an INFORMED choice to avoid becoming one.
07-05-2011, 07:21 AM
#102
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
ALPA CAVED on FT/DT. ALPA ended up SUPPORTING the ADDITION of up to 2 additional hours of duty for a two man crew. They shaped it all right. They shaped it to give management the ability to do coast to coast turnarounds all in one duty time.
ALPA also caved in on the 1500 hour rule after stating they were in complete support of it. I could go on.
Given the above, you might think that ALPA's money is being given to them by management.
Given what happened to TWA pilots and given the fact that a merger with AMR is a strong likelihood for JetBlue, I'd rather see you KNOWING who your bargaining agent is really working for.
Carl
ALPA also caved in on the 1500 hour rule after stating they were in complete support of it. I could go on.
Given the above, you might think that ALPA's money is being given to them by management.
Given what happened to TWA pilots and given the fact that a merger with AMR is a strong likelihood for JetBlue, I'd rather see you KNOWING who your bargaining agent is really working for.
Carl
Those that know this and THEN willingly sign on deserve what they get.
07-05-2011, 07:25 AM
#103
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by txbusdriver
Ask yourself, is the direct relationship better? Oh that's right you haven't been around long enough to know. Ask around.
Well, I've only had about 24 years experience with ALPA, including several contracts and another half dozen negotiating rounds for amendments to that contract.
Perhaps you can enlighten me Yoda ?
07-05-2011, 12:41 PM
#104
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,224
Originally Posted by eaglefly
*chuckle*
Well, I've only had about 24 years experience with ALPA, including several contracts and another half dozen negotiating rounds for amendments to that contract.
Perhaps you can enlighten me Yoda ?
Well, I've only had about 24 years experience with ALPA, including several contracts and another half dozen negotiating rounds for amendments to that contract.
Perhaps you can enlighten me Yoda ?
07-05-2011, 01:16 PM
#105
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by golfandfly
24 years? You're just tearing it up!
They even botched my final bill and tried to milk me for extra dues not owed. From my experience, their clumsiness runs across all departments. I'd be tickled if the TWA pilots won their suit (like the UAL pilots). Doubling your dues will help avoid pay cuts below $400,000 for big tuna's though.
Why not, as they're certainly worth it, yes?
IMO, I think they'll wait till after any Jet Blue vote though........no sense in scaring them off before then.
07-05-2011, 01:38 PM
#107
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,539
Originally Posted by eaglefly
I'd be tickled if the TWA pilots won their suit (like the UAL pilots).
I heard that the lead plaintiff in the TWA case didn't even show for court...
07-05-2011, 03:11 PM
#108
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,224
Originally Posted by eaglefly
My ALPA card.......how'd you guess ?
They even botched my final bill and tried to milk me for extra dues not owed. From my experience, their clumsiness runs across all departments. I'd be tickled if the TWA pilots won their suit (like the UAL pilots). Doubling your dues will help avoid pay cuts below $400,000 for big tuna's though.
Why not, as they're certainly worth it, yes?
IMO, I think they'll wait till after any Jet Blue vote though........no sense in scaring them off before then.
They even botched my final bill and tried to milk me for extra dues not owed. From my experience, their clumsiness runs across all departments. I'd be tickled if the TWA pilots won their suit (like the UAL pilots). Doubling your dues will help avoid pay cuts below $400,000 for big tuna's though.
Why not, as they're certainly worth it, yes?
IMO, I think they'll wait till after any Jet Blue vote though........no sense in scaring them off before then.
07-05-2011, 04:40 PM
#109
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by golfandfly
Oh yawn... ALPA ruined your life... Gloom, despair, and agony on me....
No, they didn't ruin my life (but also improved it not at all) and you know what ? They won't ruin Jet Blue if they're foolish enough to join ALPA, but equal performance may be obtained for less money. When it comes to the best bang for your buck, ALPA is a poor investment. I must say though, the depth of your indoctrination is impressive.
Perhaps a promotion is in order ?
At any rate, this tit-for-tat is becoming as pointless as ALPA. Let's agree you feel they have value above all other bargaining representatives and I feel they've become an obsolete, excessively bloated, self-serving profit entity whose performance and influence can be equaled or bettered for less $$$.
I can live with that and am thrilled I no longer have to support it.
Last edited by eaglefly; 07-05-2011 at 04:54 PM.
07-06-2011, 05:21 PM
#110
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: What day is it?
Posts: 963
Originally Posted by golfandfly
You keep talking about ALPA as it's the only entity dealing with political issues. How about SWAPA, APA, or the IPA? Why are all legislative failures associated with ALPA?
Probably because they are the only organization within earshot of Congress.
Probably because they are the only organization within earshot of Congress.
ALPA came to the party kicking and screaming only after they were forced to by the other groups demanding something better.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
