Jetblue and ALPA election
07-02-2011, 04:37 AM
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Even with ALPA and Bond-McCaskill, I am sure ALPA could find a way to royally F it up. It is ALPA's wet dream to get AA back under their wing, and if an AA/JB merger happened I wouldnt be surprised to see ALPA throw JB under the bus in an attempt to appease the APA pilots and win them back.
07-02-2011, 05:15 AM
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Sure they would, they have already F'd it up with the American/TWA merger. TWA has filed a suit against ALPA for unfair seniority merger I believe. However, I really would like to avoid this direction. I simply want to look at JetBlue and what's best for our company and union representation. I would pay more out of my pocket for in house vs. 2% to ALPA.
07-02-2011, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by windrider
Sure they would, they have already F'd it up with the American/TWA merger. TWA has filed a suit against ALPA for unfair seniority merger I believe. However, I really would like to avoid this direction. I simply want to look at JetBlue and what's best for our company and union representation. I would pay more out of my pocket for in house vs. 2% to ALPA.
07-02-2011, 06:14 AM
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Definitely...and remember, you get what you pay for! Quick, easy, cheap representation.
ALPA is not what we need here at JBU. They do not have our best interests, we have our best interests and we need to change this movement from ALPA to in house! Talk to any of the other major airlines with ALPA. US Air voted ALPA out, Delta is working to vote ALPA out. ALPA is not the union it used to be back during the days of big Legacy Airlines and pre 9-11 and it will not ever return to that.
ALPA is not what we need here at JBU. They do not have our best interests, we have our best interests and we need to change this movement from ALPA to in house! Talk to any of the other major airlines with ALPA. US Air voted ALPA out, Delta is working to vote ALPA out. ALPA is not the union it used to be back during the days of big Legacy Airlines and pre 9-11 and it will not ever return to that.
07-02-2011, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by freightpusher
I would gladly pay 5k out of pocket as part of a start up contribution for in-house representation as opposed to bringing Alpa on property. I think majority of pilots feel we need representation of some sort and Alpa just happens to be the easiest/cheapest/quickest option right now. I think we owe ourselves more than that.
ALPA is the Walmart of representation.
07-02-2011, 07:08 AM
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I am confused on what ALPA has done for any of the recent airlines that have merged? They have all gone to arbitration and an arbitrator decided the seniority list. Not trying to flame just wanting to be educated.
07-02-2011, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
Hhmmm, maybe not. Who would represent the JBLU pilots in arbitration without a collective agent?
Roll them dice baby.
Roll them dice baby.
I'm sure you'll post the evidence if I'm wrong.
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07-02-2011, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by windrider
I didn't say we don't need a union...I said we don't need ALPA as a union. I will fully support an in house union. I know that was tried several years ago and didn't pass. However, these are different times and I believe this time, an in house union would pass with a large majority. Since everyone likes to look at SWA as an example, look what they have achieved with there in house union. They have far better work rules, pay, productivity, and working relationships than any other ALPA, APA, Teamsters Union Airline.
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07-02-2011, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Even with ALPA and Bond-McCaskill, I am sure ALPA could find a way to royally F it up. It is ALPA's wet dream to get AA back under their wing, and if an AA/JB merger happened I wouldnt be surprised to see ALPA throw JB under the bus in an attempt to appease the APA pilots and win them back.
Carl
07-02-2011, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by windrider
Definitely...and remember, you get what you pay for! Quick, easy, cheap representation.
ALPA is not what we need here at JBU. They do not have our best interests, we have our best interests and we need to change this movement from ALPA to in house! Talk to any of the other major airlines with ALPA. US Air voted ALPA out, Delta is working to vote ALPA out. ALPA is not the union it used to be back during the days of big Legacy Airlines and pre 9-11 and it will not ever return to that.
ALPA is not what we need here at JBU. They do not have our best interests, we have our best interests and we need to change this movement from ALPA to in house! Talk to any of the other major airlines with ALPA. US Air voted ALPA out, Delta is working to vote ALPA out. ALPA is not the union it used to be back during the days of big Legacy Airlines and pre 9-11 and it will not ever return to that.
DAL has about 2500 guys out of 12300 who are unhappy with ALPA. That will NOT get ALPA off property.
SWA has NEVER established a new bar. They were compensated 20-30% less than other major airline pilots since their inception. They are at the top right now because others fell back, not because they have "outperformed" ALPA as an independent bargaining agent.
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