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Old 07-03-2011 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Those "resources" have proven completely worthless for virtually all the other ALPA carriers I know of. Ask pilots from TWA and Midwest how ALPA's resources worked for them.

ALPA has in fact, become pointless for collective bargaining. They should stick to the role of a safety advocate as they offer nothing for pilots to better themselves (and even attempt to stiff their lower-end workers). With grotesquely bloated salaries, perks and bennies for the upper staff, they're nothing more then an aviation Enron.
TWA & Midwest are hardly all the other ALPA carriers.
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Old 07-03-2011 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by windrider
ALPA = Insurance??? You gotta be kiddin me...you are better off with AFLAC.
This post proves you know absolutely nothing about ALPA. There are definitely negatives to ALPA, but they truly do have invaluable resources of which you clearly know nothing about.
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Old 07-03-2011 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Those "resources" have proven completely worthless for virtually all the other ALPA carriers I know of. Ask pilots from TWA and Midwest how ALPA's resources worked for them.

ALPA has in fact, become pointless for collective bargaining. They should stick to the role of a safety advocate as they offer nothing for pilots to better themselves (and even attempt to stiff their lower-end workers). With grotesquely bloated salaries, perks and bennies for the upper staff, they're nothing more then an aviation Enron.
Eaglefly, ALPA got you a seat at AA without an interview. I don't have a problem with that, but it's odd for you to tell us how much we don't need ALPA when you fail to manage what it has done for you. I don't know any of us, myself included, that view ALPA as a panacea. But it's clear that management has absolutely zero intent to treat our PEAs or the PVC with any of our "integrity" value, and we need a voice in our careers.
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Old 07-03-2011 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by aewanabe
Eaglefly, ALPA got you a seat at AA without an interview. I don't have a problem with that, but it's odd for you to tell us how much we don't need ALPA when you fail to manage what it has done for you. I don't know any of us, myself included, that view ALPA as a panacea. But it's clear that management has absolutely zero intent to treat our PEAs or the PVC with any of our "integrity" value, and we need a voice in our careers.
There is no integrity. It's business, plain & simple. If pilot groups fail to realize that, they will continue to be pushed around by management.
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Old 07-03-2011 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by golfandfly
I don't think so. I don't recall the pay raise... Were you working there when they decided to let the pilots know of the agreement changes and pay rates for the EMB 190? I think it was 2004 or so?
1st, I don't work for JetBlue, I work under the despotic tyranny of ALPA.

2nd, if I'm not mistaken, B6 pilots had the OPTION of changing to a new agreement June 8, 2011 which included a pay bump, or they could stay under the then current agreement. BTW, that pay bump is RETROACTIVE to Jan 1. Retro is not even in the ALPA dictionary.
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Old 07-03-2011 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
1st, I don't work for JetBlue, I work under the despotic tyranny of ALPA.

2nd, if I'm not mistaken, B6 pilots had the OPTION of changing to a new agreement June 8, 2011 which included a pay bump, or they could stay under the then current agreement. BTW, that pay bump is RETROACTIVE to Jan 1. Retro is not even in the ALPA dictionary.
Really? Then why have ALPA pilot groups received RETRO paychecks before?
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Old 07-03-2011 | 09:00 AM
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That massive pay raise is 1.09 percent. At my current rate, including retro, I will receive about 300 dollars after tax. Also, the retro back to January ignores the fact that this raise was supposed to be effective in 2010.
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Old 07-03-2011 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Really? Then why have ALPA pilot groups received RETRO paychecks before?

Not in recent history, back in the golden age, yes.
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Old 07-03-2011 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Not in recent history, back in the golden age, yes.
ExpressJet pilots received one back in 2004, & didn't Pinnacle just get one?
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Old 07-03-2011 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by aewanabe
That massive pay raise is 1.09 percent. At my current rate, including retro, I will receive about 300 dollars after tax. Also, the retro back to January ignores the fact that this raise was supposed to be effective in 2010.
Still better than going backward. ALPA lost ground during the NK strike, captains came out with a lower pay scale then the last best offer pre-strike. ALPA put us on display, and when the cameras left, the truth came out. Heck, we were back to work for an entire month before even bullet points of the changes were released.
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