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06-25-2022, 12:00 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
I don’t like it one bit. But given the current economic situation with a recession on the horizon, probably a long and deep one, getting anything is a win. People are saying that it barely beats inflation, but no pay raises is much worse with current inflation.
I’ll take the bird in the hand strictly based on the last 2 years economic condition of the company and the forward looking economic situation. Plus its only a 2 year deal so we restart negotiations hopefully right as the economy improves, Delta and American get some pay raises and the company has been profitable for a while.
Also getting something is a step and makes it easier to get our next step up, instead of trying to get it all in one shot in 3-4 years while having given up pay raises we would have had but turned down. 15% raises at the onset of an inflation for a company that has lost Billions in the last 2 years is something to think about.
I would like to vote no out of anger or spite, but it doesn’t gain us anything.
I’ll take the bird in the hand strictly based on the last 2 years economic condition of the company and the forward looking economic situation. Plus its only a 2 year deal so we restart negotiations hopefully right as the economy improves, Delta and American get some pay raises and the company has been profitable for a while.
Also getting something is a step and makes it easier to get our next step up, instead of trying to get it all in one shot in 3-4 years while having given up pay raises we would have had but turned down. 15% raises at the onset of an inflation for a company that has lost Billions in the last 2 years is something to think about.
I would like to vote no out of anger or spite, but it doesn’t gain us anything.
06-25-2022, 02:03 AM
#32
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 736
Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
I don’t like it one bit. But given the current economic situation with a recession on the horizon, probably a long and deep one, getting anything is a win. People are saying that it barely beats inflation, but no pay raises is much worse with current inflation.
I’ll take the bird in the hand strictly based on the last 2 years economic condition of the company and the forward looking economic situation. Plus its only a 2 year deal so we restart negotiations hopefully right as the economy improves, Delta and American get some pay raises and the company has been profitable for a while.
Also getting something is a step and makes it easier to get our next step up, instead of trying to get it all in one shot in 3-4 years while having given up pay raises we would have had but turned down. 15% raises at the onset of an inflation for a company that has lost Billions in the last 2 years is something to think about.
I would like to vote no out of anger or spite, but it doesn’t gain us anything.
I’ll take the bird in the hand strictly based on the last 2 years economic condition of the company and the forward looking economic situation. Plus its only a 2 year deal so we restart negotiations hopefully right as the economy improves, Delta and American get some pay raises and the company has been profitable for a while.
Also getting something is a step and makes it easier to get our next step up, instead of trying to get it all in one shot in 3-4 years while having given up pay raises we would have had but turned down. 15% raises at the onset of an inflation for a company that has lost Billions in the last 2 years is something to think about.
I would like to vote no out of anger or spite, but it doesn’t gain us anything.
This is a concessionary contract and I’m being kind. If we can vote this down and hopefully by a large margin the love affair with Kirby is over. Kirby has a huge ego and his promised growth and airline domination will not happen. He will lose his perception of labor peace on Wall Street. That will create leverage.
Look there are no guarantees in this life. But most likely a no vote will create leverage to get a much better TA in 3 to 6 months. Have some self respect. You can’t hold your nose and vote for this POS. We owe it to ourselves, our brother and sister pilots at UAL and the entire industry to vote this TA down.
06-25-2022, 02:40 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 783
Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
I don’t like it one bit. But given the current economic situation with a recession on the horizon, probably a long and deep one, getting anything is a win. People are saying that it barely beats inflation, but no pay raises is much worse with current inflation.
I’ll take the bird in the hand strictly based on the last 2 years economic condition of the company and the forward looking economic situation. Plus its only a 2 year deal so we restart negotiations hopefully right as the economy improves, Delta and American get some pay raises and the company has been profitable for a while.
Also getting something is a step and makes it easier to get our next step up, instead of trying to get it all in one shot in 3-4 years while having given up pay raises we would have had but turned down. 15% raises at the onset of an inflation for a company that has lost Billions in the last 2 years is something to think about.
I would like to vote no out of anger or spite, but it doesn’t gain us anything.
I’ll take the bird in the hand strictly based on the last 2 years economic condition of the company and the forward looking economic situation. Plus its only a 2 year deal so we restart negotiations hopefully right as the economy improves, Delta and American get some pay raises and the company has been profitable for a while.
Also getting something is a step and makes it easier to get our next step up, instead of trying to get it all in one shot in 3-4 years while having given up pay raises we would have had but turned down. 15% raises at the onset of an inflation for a company that has lost Billions in the last 2 years is something to think about.
I would like to vote no out of anger or spite, but it doesn’t gain us anything.
If you give up 10am show on day one of reserve you aren't getting it back EVER. The increases to medical coverage, the lack of fixes to significant qol issues, and significant reduction in premium pay with that 10 am change are things we need fixed now. That premium pay reduction is 100's of millions of dollars going in the wrong direction every year.
More add pay doesn't get you home with the family any more if schedulers are maliciously abusing SCs and field standbys or you have lines built to 89.99 hrs. I want more time at home with better more efficient trips. What we got is a meager add pay offering to accept the abuse. Our priorities for our negotiating committee was solely money when it should have been a mix of money and qol. If you accept this you are sending the wrong message going forward. Being the richest guy with 12 days off a month isn't a goal of mine.
The company wants us to grow and they need this contract to incentivize upgrade/reserve/training positions. I can't imagine what leverage we will have in two years to completely rewrite our reserve rules which is what we need. We will be ridden hard and put away wet for a decade or more if this passes.
06-25-2022, 02:51 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 463
Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
I don’t like it one bit. But given the current economic situation with a recession on the horizon, probably a long and deep one, getting anything is a win. People are saying that it barely beats inflation, but no pay raises is much worse with current inflation.
I’ll take the bird in the hand strictly based on the last 2 years economic condition of the company and the forward looking economic situation. Plus its only a 2 year deal so we restart negotiations hopefully right as the economy improves, Delta and American get some pay raises and the company has been profitable for a while.
Also getting something is a step and makes it easier to get our next step up, instead of trying to get it all in one shot in 3-4 years while having given up pay raises we would have had but turned down. 15% raises at the onset of an inflation for a company that has lost Billions in the last 2 years is something to think about.
I would like to vote no out of anger or spite, but it doesn’t gain us anything.
I’ll take the bird in the hand strictly based on the last 2 years economic condition of the company and the forward looking economic situation. Plus its only a 2 year deal so we restart negotiations hopefully right as the economy improves, Delta and American get some pay raises and the company has been profitable for a while.
Also getting something is a step and makes it easier to get our next step up, instead of trying to get it all in one shot in 3-4 years while having given up pay raises we would have had but turned down. 15% raises at the onset of an inflation for a company that has lost Billions in the last 2 years is something to think about.
I would like to vote no out of anger or spite, but it doesn’t gain us anything.
06-25-2022, 02:54 AM
#35
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 463
Originally Posted by Aquaticus
Can you live with these reserve rules for the next decade? What about significantly less premium pay as a lineholder? What about getting reassigned every trip as a lineholder with zero penalty for the company on a basic trip?
If you give up 10am show on day one of reserve you aren't getting it back EVER. The increases to medical coverage, the lack of fixes to significant qol issues, and significant reduction in premium pay with that 10 am change are things we need fixed now. That premium pay reduction is 100's of millions of dollars going in the wrong direction every year.
More add pay doesn't get you home with the family any more if schedulers are maliciously abusing SCs and field standbys or you have lines built to 89.99 hrs. I want more time at home with better more efficient trips. What we got is a meager add pay offering to accept the abuse. Our priorities for our negotiating committee was solely money when it should have been a mix of money and qol. If you accept this you are sending the wrong message going forward. Being the richest guy with 12 days off a month isn't a goal of mine.
The company wants us to grow and they need this contract to incentivize upgrade/reserve/training positions. I can't imagine what leverage we will have in two years to completely rewrite our reserve rules which is what we need. We will be ridden hard and put away wet for a decade or more if this passes.
If you give up 10am show on day one of reserve you aren't getting it back EVER. The increases to medical coverage, the lack of fixes to significant qol issues, and significant reduction in premium pay with that 10 am change are things we need fixed now. That premium pay reduction is 100's of millions of dollars going in the wrong direction every year.
More add pay doesn't get you home with the family any more if schedulers are maliciously abusing SCs and field standbys or you have lines built to 89.99 hrs. I want more time at home with better more efficient trips. What we got is a meager add pay offering to accept the abuse. Our priorities for our negotiating committee was solely money when it should have been a mix of money and qol. If you accept this you are sending the wrong message going forward. Being the richest guy with 12 days off a month isn't a goal of mine.
The company wants us to grow and they need this contract to incentivize upgrade/reserve/training positions. I can't imagine what leverage we will have in two years to completely rewrite our reserve rules which is what we need. We will be ridden hard and put away wet for a decade or more if this passes.
06-25-2022, 02:57 AM
#36
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 463
Originally Posted by avi8er
You sir have no self worth.
06-25-2022, 03:16 AM
#37
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Posts: 463
Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
I don’t like it one bit. But given the current economic situation with a recession on the horizon, probably a long and deep one, getting anything is a win. People are saying that it barely beats inflation, but no pay raises is much worse with current inflation.
I’ll take the bird in the hand strictly based on the last 2 years economic condition of the company and the forward looking economic situation. Plus its only a 2 year deal so we restart negotiations hopefully right as the economy improves, Delta and American get some pay raises and the company has been profitable for a while.
Also getting something is a step and makes it easier to get our next step up, instead of trying to get it all in one shot in 3-4 years while having given up pay raises we would have had but turned down. 15% raises at the onset of an inflation for a company that has lost Billions in the last 2 years is something to think about.
I would like to vote no out of anger or spite, but it doesn’t gain us anything.
I’ll take the bird in the hand strictly based on the last 2 years economic condition of the company and the forward looking economic situation. Plus its only a 2 year deal so we restart negotiations hopefully right as the economy improves, Delta and American get some pay raises and the company has been profitable for a while.
Also getting something is a step and makes it easier to get our next step up, instead of trying to get it all in one shot in 3-4 years while having given up pay raises we would have had but turned down. 15% raises at the onset of an inflation for a company that has lost Billions in the last 2 years is something to think about.
I would like to vote no out of anger or spite, but it doesn’t gain us anything.
06-25-2022, 04:14 AM
#39
Aspiring PSA Captain
Joined APC: Sep 2020
Posts: 824
Originally Posted by ClearCreek
Yes voters make PAs with the FA handset.
Originally Posted by Furloughedboi
Hey now, I made my PA’s that way back the regionals because I want customers coming back, not necessarily because United asks me too.
This TA is industry sub-par
This TA is industry sub-par
B. Customers don't give a ******. Cheapest ticket or best timing - period. In fact, if one is in the first few rows of first class (if there even is a first class), a blathering Captain America standing there with his junk in your face and telling you about which direction they're landing in Sheboygan is about the last thing you're interested in after listening to a gate agent screaming into a PA for an hour about 63 different boarding classifications. Can we just skip ahead to the credit card sales pitch please?
C. This TA is disgusting in every way. If you're not going to fix your miserable work rules, please at least be real prostitutes and get paid for the abuse. This does neither.
06-25-2022, 04:21 AM
#40
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 138
Originally Posted by awax
0600 reserve call out assures that commuters are forced to spend a previous day off to commute in.
That alone is worth flushing this turd.
it’s NOT a money contract and it’s not a work rules contract.
That alone is worth flushing this turd.
it’s NOT a money contract and it’s not a work rules contract.
NO $<@%ing way.
