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06-25-2022, 11:45 AM
#73
On Reserve
Joined APC: May 2015
Position: 767 Capt.
Posts: 12
Originally Posted by Mytime2025
This is the most pathetic TA I have ever seen. 3 dollar and change rate increase for our new hires? Are you FN kidding me. No sign bonus, no retirement improvement at all. MBCBP no earlier that Jan 1 2024? Where is the NO later than language other than " reasonable"
What in the hell were these guys thinking?And we are paying for professional negotiators and attorneys? I would like a refund please. Not only NO but HELL NO
only vote we should take right now is recalling the NC. And here comes the " it was the best we could do" sales job scam. Pathetic!!!
What in the hell were these guys thinking?And we are paying for professional negotiators and attorneys? I would like a refund please. Not only NO but HELL NO
only vote we should take right now is recalling the NC. And here comes the " it was the best we could do" sales job scam. Pathetic!!!
06-25-2022, 12:48 PM
#74
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,613
Originally Posted by Wolf424
Hey everyone. Delta guy here. While sitting in my house sipping bourbon naked with just my hat on (naturally), I decided to check out what you guys thought in your TA. Wasn’t going to comment, as it’s not mine to vote on. But in reference to our TA 1 in contact 2015, here’s a little background for those unaware.
Our initial TA (known as TA 1) had many gives back to the company. The biggest of which was changing (reducing) our profit sharing formula. We were told over and over, by both our MEC, and management “There is no other deal! This is it. It will not get better than this. Take it or leave it.” Our MEC chair at the time actually said we would have a contract imposed on us by the PEB if we didn’t accept it.
Reviews were mixed at first. Eventually, as the vote got closer, a social media storm doomed that hunk of junk. We voted it down by almost a 70/30 ratio in the summer of 2015.
The MEC and negotiating committee were replaced and sent back to the table to get a deal we would agree on. It took another year, but in Sep 2016, we voted and passed TA 2 that was vastly improved on TA 1 in almost every way.
Just a little background on our own crappy TA and how we dealt with it.
Good luck, and I hope you guys get a great contract. So we can get a great contract. So you guys can get a great contract…it helps all of us.
Now excuse me while I go polish the brass on my hat and yell at people on guard.
Our initial TA (known as TA 1) had many gives back to the company. The biggest of which was changing (reducing) our profit sharing formula. We were told over and over, by both our MEC, and management “There is no other deal! This is it. It will not get better than this. Take it or leave it.” Our MEC chair at the time actually said we would have a contract imposed on us by the PEB if we didn’t accept it.
Reviews were mixed at first. Eventually, as the vote got closer, a social media storm doomed that hunk of junk. We voted it down by almost a 70/30 ratio in the summer of 2015.
The MEC and negotiating committee were replaced and sent back to the table to get a deal we would agree on. It took another year, but in Sep 2016, we voted and passed TA 2 that was vastly improved on TA 1 in almost every way.
Just a little background on our own crappy TA and how we dealt with it.
Good luck, and I hope you guys get a great contract. So we can get a great contract. So you guys can get a great contract…it helps all of us.
Now excuse me while I go polish the brass on my hat and yell at people on guard.
The saddest part of all of this is that many pilots (not just at UAL) are forgetting that the supply and demand equation has not nor will it ever be more in our favor in our careers and yet there’s still an argument over rates of pay that barely keep up with if at all with rampant inflation. Seriously? What’s to debate?!
No disrespect to UAL pilots as it’s your contract to live by but I gotta say…… IF NOT NOW THEN WHEN?!
06-25-2022, 01:07 PM
#75
Banned
Joined APC: May 2022
Posts: 411
LTD isn't even close to DAL
What the HELL was the NC thinking? Did they really think they could fake out this pilot group with a Tumi suitcase? DAL 14K LTD this deal is 11.5K And DAL hasn't even cut a deal yet. I'm fn speechless over this turd. This looks like a total conssesionary deal
Disappointed doesnt begin to explain my position. I might need therapy after looking at this garbage
The NC way underestimated the expectations.
Disappointed doesnt begin to explain my position. I might need therapy after looking at this garbage
The NC way underestimated the expectations.
06-25-2022, 01:14 PM
#76
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: EWR 777 Captain
Posts: 1,715
Originally Posted by fadec
Vote yes to the current contract. It has many improvements over the TA.
Contract 2012 Highlights vs. TA 2022
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10:00 first day reserve.
Expect massive PPU from training pipeline and reserve rules.
Landings are the company's problem.
50 seat scope makes larger aircraft preferable.
125% add pay for untriggered reassignments.
Less variable line construction rules.
0% raise over 18 months but option to negotiate or strike.
Contract 2012 Highlights vs. TA 2022
-------------------------------------------------
10:00 first day reserve.
Expect massive PPU from training pipeline and reserve rules.
Landings are the company's problem.
50 seat scope makes larger aircraft preferable.
125% add pay for untriggered reassignments.
Less variable line construction rules.
0% raise over 18 months but option to negotiate or strike.
I think that is simply best and most succinct point in this whole saga. It says it all.
Thanks for that laugh!
06-25-2022, 01:36 PM
#77
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,219
Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
Guess what…voting it down does even worse than keeping up with inflation. We will probably keep these payrates for 2 years at least. Then it will be harder to get a bigger raise because we are starting from a lower position.
I’m not thrilled with this at all, don’t get me wrong, but you are saying no to 15% raises and going to keep current rates. I do not believe we will magically get a ton of things fixed instantly if we vote it down. Which is fine, we can just stay on the current rates for another couple years.
I’m not thrilled with this at all, don’t get me wrong, but you are saying no to 15% raises and going to keep current rates. I do not believe we will magically get a ton of things fixed instantly if we vote it down. Which is fine, we can just stay on the current rates for another couple years.
06-25-2022, 02:04 PM
#78
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,503
If this passes, I would seriously like to invite all the ‘yes’ voters over to my house for a late night no limit poker game.
if this is the best hand you can put together with all the cards you are holding, I ought to be able to clean you out in no time.
if this is the best hand you can put together with all the cards you are holding, I ought to be able to clean you out in no time.
06-25-2022, 03:12 PM
#80
Banned
Joined APC: May 2022
Posts: 411
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
If I may ride on your coattail sir……the same thing happened at SWA the last contract cycle. We voted TA1 down by a sizable majority and a year or so later(?) we had a vastly improved TA2 that passed.
The saddest part of all of this is that many pilots (not just at UAL) are forgetting that the supply and demand equation has not nor will it ever be more in our favor in our careers and yet there’s still an argument over rates of pay that barely keep up with if at all with rampant inflation. Seriously? What’s to debate?!
No disrespect to UAL pilots as it’s your contract to live by but I gotta say…… IF NOT NOW THEN WHEN?!
The saddest part of all of this is that many pilots (not just at UAL) are forgetting that the supply and demand equation has not nor will it ever be more in our favor in our careers and yet there’s still an argument over rates of pay that barely keep up with if at all with rampant inflation. Seriously? What’s to debate?!
No disrespect to UAL pilots as it’s your contract to live by but I gotta say…… IF NOT NOW THEN WHEN?!
