View Poll Results: T/A Vote Yes or No
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50
9.38%
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483
90.62%
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06-26-2022, 08:36 AM
#111
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
Posts: 5,709
Originally Posted by Eagle06
Todays extra snapshot is already out. Comparing it to the Thursday snapshot this TA has not significantly changed bids. Unfilled captains and WB FOs hardly moved. And btw…. NO!
You’d have to be totally desperate, stupid or forced by seniority to commute reserve under the T/A.
Reserve is a choice unless you’re forced into it. Then it’s not a choice for those the few, the proud and the ignorant who don’t know this.
06-26-2022, 08:38 AM
#112
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 157
I’m a hard no and the last two pilots on my trip were no votes as well. I’m embarrassed this is what we have been handed after 3.5 years without a contract. I’d rather work at the old rates and work rules and let Delta set the bar for the industry since we obviously can’t negotiate our worth to mgmt.
06-26-2022, 09:01 AM
#113
New Hire
Joined APC: Jun 2022
Posts: 6
Originally Posted by Lumberg823
I’m a hard no and the last two pilots on my trip were no votes as well. I’m embarrassed this is what we have been handed after 3.5 years without a contract. I’d rather work at the old rates and work rules and let Delta set the bar for the industry since we obviously can’t negotiate our worth to mgmt.
06-26-2022, 09:08 AM
#114
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,121
Food for thought from someone at SWA...
Those reserve rules never come back once you let them go. Here at SWA, not only are reserves on the hook for originators as early as 5am, the company can and will deadhead us out the day prior within our assigned reserve period, then once on the road they'll swap us to the other reserve timeframe so we end up flying the whole trip up to 12 hrs opposite of our normal sleep schedule. I have no faith that any of that will get changed no matter how much we want it, so the lesson there is don't give up work rules. They simply don't come back ever. It sounds like you guys have an awesome reserve rule that makes it possible to commute in the first day of reserves. My $.02 as a guy who can get called out to fly a 5am originator then have to finish the 4-day trip with 2pm report times, don't give up your reserve rules for ANYTHING.
Those reserve rules never come back once you let them go. Here at SWA, not only are reserves on the hook for originators as early as 5am, the company can and will deadhead us out the day prior within our assigned reserve period, then once on the road they'll swap us to the other reserve timeframe so we end up flying the whole trip up to 12 hrs opposite of our normal sleep schedule. I have no faith that any of that will get changed no matter how much we want it, so the lesson there is don't give up work rules. They simply don't come back ever. It sounds like you guys have an awesome reserve rule that makes it possible to commute in the first day of reserves. My $.02 as a guy who can get called out to fly a 5am originator then have to finish the 4-day trip with 2pm report times, don't give up your reserve rules for ANYTHING.
06-26-2022, 09:08 AM
#115
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 15
Originally Posted by Lumberg823
I’m a hard no and the last two pilots on my trip were no votes as well. I’m embarrassed this is what we have been handed after 3.5 years without a contract. I’d rather work at the old rates and work rules and let Delta set the bar for the industry since we obviously can’t negotiate our worth to mgmt.
If Delta is going to set the bar, please come help us picket if you happen to be available this Thursday. Picketing in all DAL pilot bases. ATL/DTW/JFK/LAX/SEA/SLC/MSP.
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06-26-2022, 10:15 AM
#117
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 157
We have a LEC meeting Thur but if I can make it up after I’ll be there. I’ve never understood why Alpa doesn’t put out calls for support from other airlines when they walk the line, it doesn’t have to be a strike, picketing is enough. If you hadn’t posted I wouldn’t have known. Almost makes you wonder if Alpa actually wants solidarity from the membership. We need to show solidarity not only for other pilots but FAs, caterers, rampers, anyone who is waking the line for improved working conditions. We need to get our unions to get their act together and support each other, the easiest thing would be to let the membership know who is picketing and put the word out if you can make it show up and support the cause!!!
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QUOTE=ReserveForLife;3448682]If Delta is going to set the bar, please come help us picket if you happen to be available this Thursday. Picketing in all DAL pilot bases. ATL/DTW/JFK/LAX/SEA/SLC/MSP.
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QUOTE=ReserveForLife;3448682]If Delta is going to set the bar, please come help us picket if you happen to be available this Thursday. Picketing in all DAL pilot bases. ATL/DTW/JFK/LAX/SEA/SLC/MSP.
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06-26-2022, 10:34 AM
#118
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: B737 FO
Posts: 664
Originally Posted by Lumberg823
We have a LEC meeting Thur but if I can make it up after I’ll be there. I’ve never understood why Alpa doesn’t put out calls for support from other airlines when they walk the line, it doesn’t have to be a strike, picketing is enough. If you hadn’t posted I wouldn’t have known. Almost makes you wonder if Alpa actually wants solidarity from the membership. We need to show solidarity not only for other pilots but FAs, caterers, rampers, anyone who is waking the line for improved working conditions. We need to get our unions to get their act together and support each other, the easiest thing would be to let the membership know who is picketing and put the word out if you can make it show up and support the cause!!!
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Originally Posted by ReserveForLife
If Delta is going to set the bar, please come help us picket if you happen to be available this Thursday. Picketing in all DAL pilot bases. ATL/DTW/JFK/LAX/SEA/SLC/MSP.
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Good luck and I hope you guys vote a big fat NO. UAL pilots are worth way more than this!
06-26-2022, 10:48 AM
#119
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 157
Thanks. No offense at all taken. Good on DALPA for letting the rank and file know. I was actually more pointing fingers at big Alpa. Why don’t they send out messages letting us know? Why should it be down to the individual airline Alpa to get their pilots involved? I’m not happy. My pin will be worn upside down…
Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Not trying to throw stones, but maybe that's just UAL ALPA not communicating well? I have gotten many emails from DALPA letting me know about upcoming SWA, AAL, and AK pickets (I'm at DAL) and if I lived in any of those places I would have 100% attended. Also, heard we had a good showing of OAL pilots at some of our recent DALPA pickets.
Good luck and I hope you guys vote a big fat NO. UAL pilots are worth way more than this!
Good luck and I hope you guys vote a big fat NO. UAL pilots are worth way more than this!
06-26-2022, 10:50 AM
#120
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Captain
Posts: 1,561
Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
That was a joke. Insler was in Kirby's pocket and clearly Hamilton is as well. In fact Hamilton appears to have even less backbone.
I'm not much on conspiracies but you really have to wonder if there is more going on than meets the eye for this TA to see the light of day.
I'm not much on conspiracies but you really have to wonder if there is more going on than meets the eye for this TA to see the light of day.
MH is for MH
always been since his first involvement with ALPA
