Fadec

Cant speak for anyone but me. 25 years here and 5.5 to go. I’ll gladly ride the UPA into my sunset before I vote in favor of anything close to resembling TA1.

 

Alaska is the starting point , no need to have anything as a back up. 5% coming our way soon one way or another.

 

Tell me you voted yes on the Tumi turd without telling me you voted yes.

 

Just over 7 to go and feel the exact same way. I’ll keep the work rules and live without the 9% before taxes if that’s what comes.

 

Insler defeated for ALPA national. Can the Tumi TA just die already, or do we need an autopsy to tell us what we already know?

 

While I agree with your sentiment…

Consider this scenario…

after all this BS on TA1, the economy still sux and stock portfolios are in the gutter and many people don’t have any cash for a down payment on a house.

What if they were to let TA1 close and it passes by 50.1%

I think this is a very far fetched scenario, but take into account that UAL ALPA has never voted down a TA. (This is what I’ve been told, correct me if I’m wrong)

While I would be willing to take those odds and I believe it will get shot down with a +90% no vote, consider the politics here.

If UAL ALPA gambles AND allows the minute chance that it will pass, what would happen if it did?

ALPA would be decertified and gone IMO if it passed. Do u think ALPA notational will allow UAL ALPA to effectively go “All in” on a no vote for TA1? I don’t. In July I was confident it would get voted down. Now that we are further down the rabbit hole, I still think we are a hard no, but there’s definitely some uncertainty and doubt that could screw us up. This is probably why they didn’t let TA1 close in July.

Therefore…it stands to reason with the politicians in charge, expect another extension of the vote until the end of Nov or early Dec.

The vote will not close on for TA1 or TA2 on Nov 1st.

 

TA1 doesn’t stand a chance of passing, but if it did, United pilots would decertify their religion before they decertify ALPA. If it passed, the flushing of the turd reps would intensify, attracting new pilots would take a hit due to even worse work rules, and United next would be put on hold while the training center collapses. Instructors would leave TK, LCA’s would quit, and those that stayed would only be signing students off at the end of trips to ensure that they get paid. I suspect that Kirby wants TA1 to go away even more than we do. Let November 1 come and go, put TA1 behind us, and focus on the new deal.

 

TA1 will close on 1Nov.

 

IMHO, either:

A) 55% pass type TA2 AIP done by Nov. 1st and TA1 doesn’t close.

or

B) Enough progress made on TA2 that they push TA1 date another 30 days.

Deadlines spur action. Neither side wants TA1 vote results to see light of day.

 

Any deal that could be reached by 1 Dec could've been reached by 1 Nov.