Plane Ramrod

Lets not put words in my mouth there skippy. I never said it was ok, I said I'm not convicting without evidence. I don't know what happened to escalate the use of force so I don't know if it was warranted - neither do you.

Once UAL said he needed to go and he refused he was trespassing. He needed to go, one way or the other and unfortunately he chose option B.

rickair7777

How about don't fill their seats when DHD crew are listed as PS Must Ride, whether they checked in or not?

Maybe fill them at literally the very last second if the crew no-shows, and then set policy that the pax are not removed unless they volunteer.

tom11011

Sounds like you are making an argument, and a fairly good one too. The general public doesn't dissect this like you and I, all they see is some poor elderly person got beat up on a United flight.

Andy

Wow. Just wow. Ron White made a career based on people like you.

tom11011

You are addressing the criminal matter of the incident. The civil matter is an entirely different aspect to this.

Purpleanga

What evidence? To prove whether a passenger should have his teeth knocked out? The question here is not what the passenger did he was just sitting there, it's how it was handled. That's why again, the cop is suspended and United will pay. You're just not seeing that you're wrong on this one.

I blame the gate agent. They needed to offer more money or do something, there's no need for passengers to get beaten up.

LNL76

He wouldn't have received those injuries if he had just gotten up and left, as requested numerous times from numerous people in AUTHORITY!

What is so difficult to grasp about this?! Deal with it AFTER you comply. Write emails, letters, phone calls, write the FAA, DOT, whoever...just do what you're asked to do.

Purpleanga

That's not how the law works though and reality.

tom11011

Off the top of my head-

The first thing that comes to mind is once the doctor refused to leave, the entire airplane should have been deplaned. United has a duty to protect the other passengers as well. Then once this doctor saw the airplane wasn't going to depart, he may have just chose to leave voluntarily.

The second thing that comes to mind is once a person is boarded, they are boarded. How do you deny boarding to someone who has boarded.

The third thing is to continue to raise compensation levels to a level where somebody decides it makes sense to take the money and leave. This is fair, it gives the opportunity for the company to decide to compensate a very high dollar amount, or choose to not oversell (not in this case), or choose to deadhead a crew on a different flight. Everybody has options in this case. I just read that some passenger on Delta recently was compensated $12,000 for electing to skip a series of flights.

Fourth, don't oversell flights. Not all airlines do. Although in this situation I don't think it was oversold, just sold to capacity.

I suspect Congress may start looking at a Passenger's Bill of Rights V2

tom11011

Chances are nothing would have changed and we would be business as usual. This guy is the martyr of the situation. The first person to break through the wall always gets the bloodiest. This one man may change the way things are done in the entire industry. I doubt highly when he woke up that morning any of this was on his mind.