Yep, their stack of applicants isn't nearly as deep as they think it is as they are blinded by their own arrogance.

 

When I went through the hiring process a few years ago, "arrogance" was not a term I would have associated with any part of the process.

Doris is probably the nicest person I've ever met in my life and she literally took interviewees by the hand and sat down with us to make sure our paperwork was in order.

Bill K went out of his way at the job fair I went to, then at the interview, then again during Indoc to comment on how amazed he was by the caliber of applicants he was seeing and thanking us all along the way because United needed good people and they knew they were not the only game in town.

The application and interview process can be frustrating and can seem like it takes an eternity, but don't confuse a lack of positive progress with ill will on United's part.

On the other hand, those Delta guys kind of seem like jerks...

(just kidding)

(kind of)

 

Some things stay the same, some things change.......

Doris, for years and years and years, SAME. As well as the people around her that help with the paperwork, "red pen", and overall do a great job of helping people to relax, etc. Even the security guy that greets you for you badge does.

Others? Depends on the applicant silo interviewee. And one of those as of late isn't as popular as a few years ago amongst the pilots as a whole.

 

I agree with you to an extent, my comment wasn't directed at Doris, Bill K. or anyone involved in the recruiting process. They take their marching orders from above. That is where arrogance lies.

 

Take it FWIW, just what I "heard" from someone in recruiting.

But sadly, it doesn't matter which airline, they haven't had a "realignment" yet of expectations.

Years ago when the hiring started, and they ALL had the infamous "XX,XXX" applicants, MANY of those were well qualified and VERY EXPERIENCED in many areas. Didn't matter if it was civ, mil, or a combination of both. If you look at the graphs/charts put out by (insert legacy MEC) at that time, the "average" flight times were high, almost to hyper competitive levels. Some friends of mine that went through (then) said that of the civilians, not one has less than 10K TT and not less than 2 type ratings. I know, I know.......WE ALL KNOW, there were classes that had lower. But the FACT IS, what used to be in the applicant stack just isn't there in the numbers it was then. As mentioned, DAL's charts put out show a decrease in TT as well as TPIC time as far as the "averages" go for BOTH mil and civ, and the combination thereof.

Some of the HR people haven't come to realize that yet, and still expect that of their candidates. And toss in that AA is hiring more (relatively speaking), DAL doesn't seem to stop, FedEx has picked up, UPS has picked up, SW has picked up, sucking of more of the candidates as well.

The key word is "some', NOT ALL.

 

sorry to be the negative Nancy but those guys screwed themselves. A new hire at any cargo company today is destined for disaster. Between age 67 (or 68) and the push for single pilot airplanes (10-20 years from now) my guess is they will be back in the pool sooner rather than later.

 

Totally disagree.
The first cargo carrier that will probably be the testbed for single pilot/reduced pilot operations will be either Amazon Prime Air, or some new company (Elon Musk?!) that buys the next gen Boeing (NMA) and offers their services to the FAA to test this stuff. Timeframe = 2025-2030.

Only after it works (which it probably will), will the union battles at FedEx/UPS start. Timeframe = 2030+
ANY pilot hired by them now, will still have a pretty safe and secure career.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The SSC Report from the union for July shows that our staffing is ok. Pilots on here were touting 16000, 18000 and more, in the next few years.
Not gonna happen.

Reality is, we will probably hire for retirements and until we see an huge jump in aircraft online.. that's about it. Not to mention that DenTK is still being rebuilt.
Still a pilot hiring world. (NewHire) Pilots can pick and choose where they want to go with regards to both the majors, and the cargo companies.

A couple of pilots leave during Indoc, just means that the next class will add a couple of extra pilots. The pool is deep enough, and if needed, they could interview and have people in class in a month.

Good Luck to the 400-500 pilots that will be hired in the next 12 months!
Always
Motch

 

^^^^^EXACTLY

Just because X amount pilots left in indoc/whatever amount of time for somewhere else, you can bet that X amount of pilots came FROM indoc/whatever amount of time somewhere else.

 

Thing that chapped my arse was the 5 months or NORDO from United.

I interviewed in March and was told expect June Indoc.

June obviously came and went...

Not until Aug do we get the first bit of comms as to what is going up on.

 

Unacceptable.

This is one of the problems with HR being (so) involved with Hiring.
Let's be honest.. most non pilots don't care if they can put 'pilots' lives in limbo for a while.

Would be interesting to know how many pilots who interviewed and got the CJO but then were left in limbo, started class with someone else.

Hang in there and hopefully it's soon. If ya end up on the 756 in EWR, biers on me~

Always
Motch