jsled

Let it go? It's already GONE (IAH). It's just an empty hangar now.

flightmedic01

That was the absolute worst training I have ever received at an airline. It was embarrassing and I'm glad its in DEN now.

cal73

I know. We do training in Denver now. Been there. It was nice. Training was good. Went home. Rinse repeat. Some CAL guys gotta say some snarky remark about dentk. Then some UAL guy has to respond in kind and then it turns into a circle jerk. Just move on. These are the good times.


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Shrek

This ^^^

Grumble

No it was pretty much train yourself and sort out the "tecsidures" from the 500 different instructors.

oldmako

Well, not to be a jerk but more to try and refresh the memory of the old farts and to promote dialog and to educate the half wingers and Marvins,

Times were also pretty good when we -

Enjoyed Deadhead travel in First Class,
Had a lucrative Pension,
Had Vacation Override, ("can you say more time at home"?)
Paid MUCH less for Health Insurance,
Got paid MUCH more per hour when adjusted for inflation and COLA,
Bid actual lines and didn't have to deal with QOL life sucking PBS, ("can you say more time at home"?)
Could actually trade and or drop trips,
Had the Big Dump,
Had Trip and Duty Rigs with teeth, ("can you say more time at home"?)
Got paid more for training,
Enjoyed crystal clear and SIMPLE payroll accounting,
Understood FIFO and your spot in the stack,
Could EASILY Non-Rev, (often in First and for... bupkis!),
Didn't have to deal with AMS and Pilot Pushing, (did someone say, -"Captains Authority"???)
Weren't taxed on a whole MESS of stuff like we are now - at the behest of MU.
etc.
etc.
etc

Yes...I am a cranky malcontent. But, before we all start willingly and gleefully smoking what they're offering while patting ourselves on the back, let's not forget what we used to enjoy and HOW it was wrested away during the giant Ponzi scheme that was our "bankruptcy". Tell me, where did that last big avoided pension payment money go? Yes(!), things have improved. But lets not relax our sphincters and lose sight of what we once had. And of what the recent retirees fought so hard for AND WON when times were merely ordinary and MU wasn't the juggernaut that it is today.

There are apples, and there are oranges. I prefer citrus myself.

Grumble

Too many go straight to pay rates in contract desicion..... these are the places we really need improvements.

baseball

There is a lesson here (really 3):

1. When management takes it, they take it all, and they take it quick. If they say the "B" word - the bankruptcy word, or liquidity shortfall, or whatever hocus pocus snake oil they are selling to scare the super junior into voting scared and the super senior into voting for their pension; remember, it goes quick, and it goes fast, and you likely work the rest of your career to get it back.

2. When and if the union tries to get it back, it will only do so in an incremental fashion.

3. PBS is not "Preferential Bidding System." It has nothing to do with it. It is a trip assignment and manpower de-confliction system. It puts butts in seats. PBS is not like PBJ. PBJ is great. PBS is not. It will always be a give-back to management to have PBS on property, therefore the union should always start negotiations with a 750 million dollar credit. That's what it is worth to management in efficiency and staffing on an annual basis.

duvie

Mako,

Your posts are generally a wonderful light in a sea of tough-guy-forumitus.

This particular post... were you referencing any C2000 stuff? Because that contract IMHO was an outlier and not a sustainable contract to be referenced for future negotiations. I, and I think many others, would rather leave some money on the table, but keep my pay up during economic down turns, rather than choke the golden goose, and lose it all when said goose loses consciousness a la David Carradine (too soon?)

I get the company can come after a sub par contract as well during recessions, but I think many of us are still acutely aware of being duped by management and anti-labor governments and would stand firmer next time around, especially if the contract wasn't like C2000 and the recession wasn't the worst since the 1930s.

FWIW

Grumble

If you didn't stand firm the first time, what spine did you magically grow since then?

"Tough guy forumitis".... maybe the problem is you and your lack of confidence that's easily intimidated by those with conviction.


Good post baseball