awax

Figures.

The point is that the formal opportunity for pilots to provide feedback to negotiators has concluded. Pilots were invited by the NC to rank priorities in preparation for the section 6, and the results have been tallied, analyzed, and presented.

After thousands of data points from PDRs, contract surveys, and council resolutions, the NC is inasmuch broadcasting "we hear you".

The process is underway, so yes, it's entertaining to watch everyone in this thread chase their tails and draw lines in the sand.

In about a year from now, members in good standing will get a vote.

Boeing Aviator

Agree with everything you said above. I really hope we have a vote on a contract TA in about a year (Non Consessionary Scope - but I have faith our MEC would never let this see a membership vote) and not in the traditional 3 to 5 years of historic negotiating cycles.

awax

Agreed, I think there are quite a few items the MEC shouldn't present for a vote, but that's the beauty of membership ratification. I don't see voting a contract down as failure, it's just providing additional guidance to the NC.

Over the next 13 months we'll see posts full of anger, greed, fear, unity, hope, and unbridled avarice. You know, the full spectrum. Done right (absent leaks) the line pilots will feel like mushrooms, which nobody likes, and is intolerable to some. Many will be offended by the opener, which is largely a wish list, but still we'll see a segment of the membership get spun into the ceiling anyway. I think the RLA section 6 process is ill-suited for internet speed and information junkies will be miserable.

The big picture is that we have a strong MEC that's in tune with the pilot group and we're favorable negotiating climate for pilot labor. I have a vote that I hope to cast sometime next year, and beyond that, I'm keeping the powder dry and getting ready to enjoy the holidays.

fadec

Delta's growth has been fueled by bringing this type of flying in-house. As a result their junior captain has a seniority number equal to the size of our entire list. They're kicking our asses in gross margin and stealing market share. And we need to close the gap by outsourcing. We need to grow our regional partners to compete. Awesome. Just awesome. Troll level 1e500.

awax

Hmmm, what's the equipment award for DAL's junior Captain? If only we had negotiated rates on the books for something similar!

BTW, are we calling the CS100/300 an Airbus yet?

crflyer

DAL is also getting around scope by configuring 175’s with fewer seats.

MasterOfPuppets

At United there is a limit to 70 seaters once a certain level of 76 seaters is reached, and we are at that level. No more 70 seaters OR 76 seaters can be added unless we introduce a New Short Narowbody. That’s why Skywest CRJ-700s have been getting removed from United service.

If United wants a new 175 with 70 seats they can have it but they will have to park 1 other 70 seater. 1:1 that’s their only option.

baseball

That's correct.

However, did I read somewhere that United is getting it's "regional partners" to dust off a bunch of 50 seaters? I don't want UAL to try to compete with Delta with RJ's. I want UAL to compete with big boy and big girl jets.

Shrek

I fly......they manage

baseball

I didn't know that applied to FSB as well. Is the pay for this automatic? I have never seen it. I wonder if ALPA should audit all reserve pilot schedules because I've talked to other reserves in other domiciles who had similar experiences and didn't get any pay. One hour isn't satisfactory however.