MEC Chairman's Message - Early Section 6
10-22-2017, 07:11 PM
#92
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The company wants to be able to assign reserve pilots trips and SC's prior to 10am on the first day. I'm sure that is a large part of them wanting to open negotiations early. They wanted this during the extension negotiations and rumored to be a reason for no improvements in the reserve system. This will most likely be near the top of their wish list this time around too.
10-22-2017, 08:06 PM
#93
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Originally Posted by baseball
Isn't that strange that we get paid for unused short-calls, which we do at home, but we get nada for unused field standby's? You can do unlimited FSB and get no bump in pay, but after the third unused SC you get an hour of pay. Seems goofy.
Addressing reserve rules was low on my union survey and that’s coming from a guy who’s perpetually on reserve at the shrinking IAH base.
Do not relax scope was my #1 on that union contract survey and that’s coming from a military lifer with no other civilian flying other than United.
10-23-2017, 06:31 AM
#94
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Originally Posted by 89Pistons
The company wants to be able to assign reserve pilots trips and SC's prior to 10am on the first day. I'm sure that is a large part of them wanting to open negotiations early. They wanted this during the extension negotiations and rumored to be a reason for no improvements in the reserve system. This will most likely be near the top of their wish list this time around too.
10-23-2017, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by baseball
field standby needs to be an add pay event. Period dot.
That bs takes about 7 hours out of my day. Why exactly do we not get paid for that?
If an attorney had to go into his office for a four hour meeting he/she is going to get paid. No different for an airline pilot.
That bs takes about 7 hours out of my day. Why exactly do we not get paid for that?
If an attorney had to go into his office for a four hour meeting he/she is going to get paid. No different for an airline pilot.
10-23-2017, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by baseball
72 hours min guarantee is not the issue. Reserve is reserve, and field standby is different. I categorize it differently. Field Standby should not be considered "reserve". You can get paid 72 hours to accomplish reserve within 2 hours of the airport. But, field standby needs to be accomplished (loosely defined) at the "field."
Just eliminate it, and problem solved. If not willing to eliminate it, just pay the people who have to do it. Absolutely no reason not to pay people. it's easy, and its cheap. If UAL wants it, fine, then pay for it. No different than passengers having to pay for an upgrade. Same logic. You want a higher level of service, that should be paid for.
Just eliminate it, and problem solved. If not willing to eliminate it, just pay the people who have to do it. Absolutely no reason not to pay people. it's easy, and its cheap. If UAL wants it, fine, then pay for it. No different than passengers having to pay for an upgrade. Same logic. You want a higher level of service, that should be paid for.
I usually dislike reserve as much as just about anyone and I love it when I'm not actually used for a stretch of days, but when you can be flown up to 73 hours during a reserve month for the exact same pay as a month of zero hours (omitting per diem), I don't understand the perception that we're "not getting paid" for FSB/SCR. That's 73 hours of flying you could be assigned, plus all that additional TAFB - for the same as potentially zero flying hours, but some commitments to be either near or at the airport a few times.
You can easily acquire 3 hours extra if you want, or if you don't pick up any and are assigned several by the company, including making your way to the airport sometimes, you start getting "paid" for them after the first 2.
I'd vote to have some more transparency and logic applied to the reserve system - my guess is there are easy ways to do fix/improve it for the pilots without tying the company's hands if there's a will, but at the end of the day, it's reserve, not paid leave. It seems like a great deal to me when I'm not used and a J*O*B - i.e. something to be tolerated - when I'm used often.
10-23-2017, 08:54 AM
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"I usually dislike reserve as much as just about anyone and I love it when I'm not actually used for a stretch of days, but when you can be flown up to 73 hours during a reserve month for the exact same pay as a month of zero hours (omitting per diem), I don't understand the perception that we're "not getting paid" for FSB/SCR. That's 73 hours of flying you could be assigned, plus all that additional TAFB - for the same as potentially zero flying hours, but some commitments to be either near or at the airport a few times."
I think you're missing the point. Reserves time belongs to the company for 18 days a month. It's even worse for global reserves, since HDOs and RDOs can be rolled. We can't base pay on Time Away From Base. If we did then our narrowbodies would get the most pay.
I think you're missing the point. Reserves time belongs to the company for 18 days a month. It's even worse for global reserves, since HDOs and RDOs can be rolled. We can't base pay on Time Away From Base. If we did then our narrowbodies would get the most pay.
10-23-2017, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by EWRflyer
We can't base pay on Time Away From Base. If we did then our narrowbodies would get the most pay.
At the end of the day, guys (and gals) who commute to Reserve HATE SC/FSB's. I get it.
But if you live local (within an hour or two.. ) it's not the end of the world, depending on BES.
[I bid reserve a couple of Dec's ago (EWR756 FO) as a last ditch attempt to get Xmas off. Got Reserve, 6 days off during Xmas week. A couple of SC's, and 1 FSB. Flew a day turn during the month for 73hrs of pay.
And FSB was a joke.. didn't even shave or change into the uniform!]
As someone else mentioned, the Narrow Body Fleet could be the ones who decide this contract.
Have mentioned before that maybe it would be worth while to have 2 separate parts within the contract.. one for domestic (ala like the SWA pilots) and one for the WideBody/International crew.
It seems that FSB (abuse) might be directed towards Narrow Body pilots, and maybe certain bases... Would be interesting to hear what the majority of each BES feels. Not a couple of pilots from one BES.
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10-23-2017, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by horrido27
Would be interesting to hear what the majority of each BES feels. Not a couple of pilots from one BES.
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Captain Greg Everhard introduced Phil Comstock to present the results of the MEC Contract Poll in executive session. The contract poll results will be used to supplement and validate results from the LEC and MEC contract surveys and data mined from thousands of Pilot Data Reports.
The polling results make it clear that pilot support for the current MEC and LEC leadership and Negotiating team is at a historical high as we approach opening negotiations for the UPA. Polling data also shows high levels of cohesion across the pilot group regarding direction and priorities for the next contract.
Captain Greg Everhard introduced Phil Comstock to present the results of the MEC Contract Poll in executive session. The contract poll results will be used to supplement and validate results from the LEC and MEC contract surveys and data mined from thousands of Pilot Data Reports.
The polling results make it clear that pilot support for the current MEC and LEC leadership and Negotiating team is at a historical high as we approach opening negotiations for the UPA. Polling data also shows high levels of cohesion across the pilot group regarding direction and priorities for the next contract.
10-23-2017, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by awax
Um, Yeah. From October 10th.......
If we are going to fight to get FSB paid ADD Pay in the next contract, what are You willing to give up?
My understanding is that the company wanted to change the first day reserve being avail at 10am...
So.. they want something, we want something. Fair trade? I don't know.
But it's something to discuss.
I've stated my Lines in the Sand. But mine are different then others, based on where I live and what I fly and am willing to bid.
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