BoJet

To be honest, I'm not a contractual guru. From what I understand, we are getting paid 4+ hours per day of reserve already.
Are you wanting double pay to go to work? If you had a turn assigned to you, it would take more than 7 hours of your day and you'd probably get nothing more than whats included in your guarantee- unless you break guarantee regularly on reserve which is doubtful.
I don't see this (IMO emotional) argument being a prudent use of our negotiating capital. It would be like a line holder asking for premium pay on everything the company awards them in PBS.
I do think that FSB shouldn't be longer than a single reserve day's credit towards guarantee.
It would be nice to have some sort of monetary incentive for the company not to just dole out FSB carelessly. Best way to do that is probably something like 1 hour add pay for the FSB regardless of the reserve being used or not. That would incentivize the company to be prudent with their assignment choices. Pilots might even pick it up for the $$ and allow others who live far to skip it.
Just my .02$

duvie

I disagree. Part of being on reserve is being available to fly 18 days a month, whether you actually work or not. The occasional FSB is part of that bargain, it is on one of the "days of work" that month, so you are already getting paid 4 hours for your time that day. Maybe unused pay 2 instead of 1 hours, but it shouldn't be add pay. I'm sure it depends on BES, but aside from some of the mega bases, I don't see FSB used that often.

As for the reserve rule improvements, I don't know if its where I would want our negotiating capital placed (and I'm on reserve). If you figure that 15% ish of our airlines is on reserve and half of those are captains, IE someone who traded QOL for $ (and more power to you) that puts 7.5% of our company in the FO reserve bucket. Now take that chunk, and of those, how many are new hires who have no choice in the matter? maybe 3.5%, the other 4% are either WB FOs or reserve by choice (myself included). Now, I'll say that I don't advocate the "pay your dues" approach, but a little bit of reserve is a pretty reasonable expectation and our system is far less draconian than some would have you believe.

I do acknowledge that you have to write the rules with stagnant circumstances in mind, but anyone who upgrades has to do so knowing our manning is pretty dynamic, as is the industry. So the only truly vulnerable pilots in this scenario are new(-ish) hires.

For those who complain that they've landed on reserve inadvertently, that is kind of a gamble you take if you bid for something around 70%. We all know the pros and cons of taking bids to a more junior seat. There are of course examples of pilots who really do end up on reserve unexpectedly, but those are the exception, not the rule (cue the vocal minority). And with the displacement process, if you NEED to hold a line, then consider volunteering out of your seat.

In the end, I'd be in favor of improvements, but not a re-write of the system, or a ton of energy and money expended on this issue (that to my mind and logic affects 3% of our list). I'd rather have health care costs lowered, retirement improved, scope language maintained or restricted, or any of a number of other QOL issues looked in to that affect 100% of our seniority list. And again, this is from someone who has sat reserve well over half of my time here.

Zenofzin

Same exact contract, $30 an hour raise, show me where to sign . Oh, and the rest of my signing bonus the bastards still have from the last contract.

horrido27

THIS^
Pretty funny to hear that Boeing is talking about a 767 order from an "unknown" carrier, and some here are speculating it's us!
Our 76-3 payrate is awful and it was negotiated because of 'fear' of SLI affects and because 'those aircraft will be leaving anyway, no need to waste negotiation capital on them'. LOL

Yes, 70+% voted Yes.. Money was more important than fixes.
I have no doubt that the company realizes that they offered too much and probably could have gotten away with a slightly smaller raise.
Anything voted on by the pilot group only has to pass by 50.1%~

I also have no doubt that the company has a few plans to get RJ Scope relief.
Don't know what they are but can see -
Fixes to reserve rules, ie SC/FSB
Furlough protection for anyone hired post merger...
Offering some sort of sickbank sell back for pilots over 60~

End of the day, they know who their target audience is.

Again, how many pilots are posting on this thread? Less than 20?!
Literally, a drop in a big bucket.
Heard that 80% of EWR pilots commute... there's a target audience!

Motch
(2 No Votes so far...)

Knotcher

Agreed, or else an unused FSB should credit 5 or 6 hours towards line value. I agree you should get something for it but 4 hours of add pay is not something I think would be prudent to spend capital on.

If approach reserve with the mindset it is a month long vacation you are setting yourself up for disappointment. You may actually have to come in and work once in awhile like the rest of us. A select few may enjoy that but come on, some of you guys need to recalibrate.

dmeg13021

100% of our pilots will be on reserve during their stint here.

Not all will be widebody CA.

Where should negotiating capital be spent for the pilot group? Not going to the mattresses on it, but it would be nice if reserve rules were actually on the table this time. I don’t think we’re looking for a revamp that would make reserve attractive enough that those <50% might bid it, but I’d at least go for SC/FSB counting as 5 hours rather than standard 4.03. We’ll see what the committee comes up with.

okawner

This seems pretty reasonable to me and I am not a guy that tries to break MPG. But FS is akin to operating a leg or quick turn (for NB).

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baseball

I just want to get paid for going to WORK. WORK is at the airport.

While I sit reserve at my house, either long call or short call I still get paid. I am being paid by the company to be available for an assignment.

if I drive to the airport that takes money to fuel the car and mileage, etc. Plus, I am not at home, I am at the airport.

I wouldn't call it "double pay" I would call it FAIR PAY.

If field standby paid 2.5 hours of add pay for showing I think that would be fair. If they assigned you a trip, you get your minimum of 5.0 per day. This is more than reasonable, and more than fair. In my opinion, a definition of FAIR is when neither side gets all of what they want. The company wants you there for free. I want 5.0 hours for showing up. I think a reasonable compromise is 2.5 add pay for show to the airport. If a line holder shows to the airport they are going to get 5.0 per day. throw a reserve a bone, not the entire T bone steak and that's very fair.

BoJet

Doesn't sound that way. Cause sitting at home, you want to get paid too. And if "WORK" is at the airport, what's sitting at home?
This will be my last post on the subject. I agree with the poster above- some 'recalibration' is probably necessary.
Regardless of all the above, you're going to be very disappointed with your expectations.

duvie

Most pilots (and other people) have to show up at work to get paid. If you get your 4 hours and are raking leaves, getting groceries, or going for a hike, thats a boon, not the right thing, or what you deserve.

If you have get dressed and drive somewhere to collect your money that day, are you really saying you deserve something extra for that??