WhisperJet

I stand corrected; the NPRM was for the removal of pilot pairing requirement, not the original age 65. You're right.

That said, no reason to float a false rumor.

APC225

This is the only thing that that will change that.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...lls/524972001/

It's not your imagination. Airline seats in the economy cabin have shrunk. But now it's the FAA that's in the hot seat.

A three-judge panel gave the Federal Aviation Administration six months to provide documentation to back up its argument that it shouldn't regulate seat size. The FAA has 60 days to appeal the decision.

The kerfuffle over "the case of the incredible shrinking airline seat,” as U.S. Court of Appeals Judge Patricia Millett wrote in the 23-page decision on Friday, began with a consumer group called FlyersRights.org.

The group wants the FAA to prevent airline seats from getting any more cramped. It argues that the narrower seats and less space between rows in the economy cabin is safety risk that could hamper an evacuation and a health risk for passengers who could develop deep-vein thrombosis from being too wedged in to move.

The FAA, which requires airlines to prove they can get everyone off a plane in 90 seconds in an emergency, says it doesn't need to regulate seat size because it takes the cabin layout into account when testing planes for evacuations.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit didn't buy the FAA's argument. It called out the FAA for its “vaporous record” of evacuation tests. The sharply worded ruling criticized the FAA for using “off-point studies and undisclosed tests using unknown parameters.”

Sonny Crockett

PLEASE do not be misled into the "We can't afford to fly them at Mainline"


HOGWASH!

What Kirby means to say is "We want to fly them at "C" scale pay rates and whip saw the mainline pilot group into future concessions"


NO SCOPE RELIEF MR KIRBY! SORRY PAL!

oldmako

The above post is all anyone needs to know regarding the issue. Profits in the Millions and Billions per quarter. Nuff said

Regularguy

What Kirby, and probably all big Corp management, wants is to not have to be responsible to the pilots (or employees) any more than they have to.

The issue of RJs is the very same as NAI and Ryan, they do not want to manage employees. By “outsourcing” and contracting services from other corps all they have to deal with is one entity, the other corp’s negotiators.

In theory UAL/CAL Holdings could be just that, a holding company which collects funds for the brand name from the multitude of entities that actually provide the product.

Look at Hilton Hotels these days and ask this, “how many properties are actually owned by Hilton?”

Out of over 5000 Hilton properties they only own or lease 74, according to the 2nd Qtr 2017 SEC report.

I’m sure Kirby would like a similar ratio of owned verses managed airplanes.

If you doubt it can happen in DEN this winter’s de icing is totally contracted out. In the past UAL/CAL did it in house.

awax

That's his job, of course he'll ask, and ask, and ask. This pilot group has been bent over so many times that "hell no!" is the flinch response. However, the seniority list is growing well beyond those of us on the property since the merger. It's assumed that most new hires since 2013 are from regional airlines and firmly understand the value of scope. I hope that's true.

No doubt that Kirby & team will become increasingly vocal about "if we only had the unit cost to compete" & frankly it's not a pilot problem. He's the new guy that didn't live with going on 20 YEARS of career stagnation because of scope give aways. UAL pilots individually lost MILLIONS of dollars in career earnings giving Kirby's predecessors the cost advantage, and for what?

Every new hire added to the list means that the United pilots have less of a shared history than the day before. In a year, it could be 20% of the list is post merger. The few new hires I've met are astute and quick studies and I hope all are aware the risks of giving anything away for the promise of explosive growth and quick upgrades.

Anyway, HOGWASH! Indeed.

ReadyRsv

As a Jr FO--- I CAN'T AFFORD EXPRESS TO FLY THESE JETS!!!

Floyd

Every now and then you have to stand for something. Wearing that pin on your tie doesn't necessarily show support for Alpa but for the one you're sitting beside or passing on the concourse. It's past time to stem the scope bleeding.

MiLa

Been here a little over two years and wondering a couple of things about making our voices heard. I came from the regionals and know the effect of scope and to me it’s probabaly the most important part of the UPA. I took the survey a little while back and shared my views regarding scope there. As we approach these openers, are there other ways to make our feelings known with our elected representatives, and let them know how we feel about scope? I thought of messaging my LEC rep but don’t know what the proper protocol is. Also I know it’s the NC that’s dealing with it anyway so I wasn’t sure the best course of action.... Or do I just wait and put faith in the NC and MEC?

Floyd

Make sure your LEC knows your feelings. They give direction.