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Old 04-12-2024 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by TurquoiseLine
to expand a little bit, the eight ball, god save the ball, is the most junior seniority line pilot at United.

We want “god to save the ball” because as long as the ball isn’t furloughed, no one is furloughed.
I was today years old when I found this out. Love it!
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Old 04-12-2024 | 08:21 AM
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I've noticed the last few drops haven't included SFO. Does anyone have any idea how long it would take to hold that base from BI?

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Old 04-12-2024 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TurquoiseLine
to expand a little bit, the eight ball, god save the ball, is the most junior seniority line pilot at United.

We want “god to save the ball” because as long as the ball isn’t furloughed, no one is furloughed.
That's awesome, I didn't know that!

Now that I've headed down memory lane, I remember that there used to be some hijinks associated with the ball. There were some elaborate (and some pretty stupid) plots by other classes to steal the ball and hold it for ransom (usually a round of drinks, IIRC).

Being the 8 ball can be a serious responsibility though. If you're the ball in the last class before hiring stops, you might have to safeguard the 8 ball for years until the next class comes along.
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Old 04-12-2024 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DookieontheDrum
I've noticed the last few drops haven't included SFO. Does anyone have any idea how long it would take to hold that base from BI?

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It would be pretty quick, probably a matter of a few months, particularly if you're on the 737. SFO 737 is very junior and almost always has unfilled seats on vacancy bids.

If you a get 737 FO assignment in another base during BI, you can bid out of that base and over to SFO whenever there's a vacancy bid (which are running monthly now). Just for example, on the vacancy bid that closed 3/15 there were over a dozen unfilled seats on SFO 737 FO so even the most junior newhire could have held it.
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Old 04-12-2024 | 09:11 AM
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Great! Thanks a bunch!

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Old 04-12-2024 | 09:48 AM
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It would be pretty quick, probably a matter of a few months, particularly if you're on the 737. SFO 737 is very junior and almost always has unfilled seats on vacancy bids.

If you a get 737 FO assignment in another base during BI, you can bid out of that base and over to SFO whenever there's a vacancy bid (which are running monthly now). Just for example, on the vacancy bid that closed 3/15 there were over a dozen unfilled seats on SFO 737 FO so even the most junior newhire could have held it.
Dumb question, but if you just want to change bases and you're in the same seat and equipment, wouldn't that be accomplished through a base trade as opposed to a vacancy bid? Or just submit both?
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Old 04-12-2024 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
Dumb question, but if you just want to change bases and you're in the same seat and equipment, wouldn't that be accomplished through a base trade as opposed to a vacancy bid? Or just submit both?
Not dumb at all! Just two ways of accomplishing the same thing. Never having done a base trade I'm not an expert but here's my understanding:

For a base trade, there has to be someone on the other side of the trade, i.e, one pilot swaps DEN to SFO and another swaps SFO to DEN. If you don't have a trading partner, the trade doesn't happen.

For a vacancy bid, nobody has to take the other side - you just lateral over the base you're bidding into on the vacancy bid and create a hole in the base you're leaving.
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Old 04-12-2024 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SquawkIdent
Not dumb at all! Just two ways of accomplishing the same thing. Never having done a base trade I'm not an expert but here's my understanding:

For a base trade, there has to be someone on the other side of the trade, i.e, one pilot swaps DEN to SFO and another swaps SFO to DEN. If you don't have a trading partner, the trade doesn't happen.

For a vacancy bid, nobody has to take the other side - you just lateral over the base you're bidding into on the vacancy bid and create a hole in the base you're leaving.
You missed the caveat for a base trade. Someone junior to you has to hold the BES to which you are trading, otherwise it won’t go through.
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Old 04-12-2024 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SquawkIdent
Not dumb at all! Just two ways of accomplishing the same thing. Never having done a base trade I'm not an expert but here's my understanding:

For a base trade, there has to be someone on the other side of the trade, i.e, one pilot swaps DEN to SFO and another swaps SFO to DEN. If you don't have a trading partner, the trade doesn't happen.

For a vacancy bid, nobody has to take the other side - you just lateral over the base you're bidding into on the vacancy bid and create a hole in the base you're leaving.
there is one more point to a base trade with the new contract. You must be able to hold the base you are trading too. You can’t trade into the plug.
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Old 04-12-2024 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
You missed the caveat for a base trade. Someone junior to you has to hold the BES to which you are trading, otherwise it won’t go through.
this is true only if there are zero open spots (I.e. the base is full). If there are unfilled vacancies in the base, you can base trade in your example. Basically, the unfilled vacancy would be the “person” junior to you.

a small but important distinction.
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