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Old 03-27-2024 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by VacancyBid
Lots (historically) of GUM (mostly assigned involuntarily)
Recent history (past few years) has been GUM gets offered but rolled over to the next class if not taken voluntarily- have they been forcing it in recent classes?
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Old 03-27-2024 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
Recent history (past few years) has been GUM gets offered but rolled over to the next class if not taken voluntarily- have they been forcing it in recent classes?
here we go again with “forcing.” Guam is a base, just like any other. This weeks class had 3 Guam, but they all went prior to the 8 ball, so no “forcing” it.
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Old 03-27-2024 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
here we go again with “forcing.” Guam is a base, just like any other. This weeks class had 3 Guam, but they all went prior to the 8 ball, so no “forcing” it.
Semantics. The post I was referring to claimed GUM was mostly going “involuntary”. In recent years the company has just rolled GUM vacancies from one BI class to the next until they got voluntary bids. I’m just curious if that had changed with the need to staff HND/CEB. Not trying to start a conversation on expectations, “fairness”, or “paying one’s dues”.
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Old 03-27-2024 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
Semantics. The post I was referring to claimed GUM was mostly going “involuntary”. In recent years the company has just rolled GUM vacancies from one BI class to the next until they got voluntary bids. I’m just curious if that had changed with the need to staff HND/CEB. Not trying to start a conversation on expectations, “fairness”, or “paying one’s dues”.
Seems like all "min" vacancies in class are getting filled. If there is "Min x" for GUM, at least x will get sent there thst class. Talking to a buddy who was a NH with GUM drops, it doesn't sound like a big deal because if someone truely doesn't want to go to Guam, they just decline to take the paid move and additional money that locks them into base and can bid 737 anywhere CONUS the next vacancy (for now at least).
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Old 03-27-2024 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
Seems like all "min" vacancies in class are getting filled. If there is "Min x" for GUM, at least x will get sent there thst class. Talking to a buddy who was a NH with GUM drops, it doesn't sound like a big deal because if someone truely doesn't want to go to Guam, they just decline to take the paid move and additional money that locks them into base and can bid 737 anywhere CONUS the next vacancy (for now at least).
Again, not saying it’s a big deal- just curious if it was being handled differently. If indeed all slots are getting filled without reaching the jr man, though, the only accurate answer would be “nobody knows”.
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Old 03-27-2024 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
Seems like all "min" vacancies in class are getting filled. If there is "Min x" for GUM, at least x will get sent there thst class. Talking to a buddy who was a NH with GUM drops, it doesn't sound like a big deal because if someone truely doesn't want to go to Guam, they just decline to take the paid move and additional money that locks them into base and can bid 737 anywhere CONUS the next vacancy (for now at least).
it may become a big deal if vacancy bids dry up. perfect storm of MAX drama and FAA drama is brewing …. Nothing indicates that this is a thing - at least not yet.
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Old 03-27-2024 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TFAYD
it may become a big deal if vacancy bids dry up. perfect storm of MAX drama and FAA drama is brewing …. Nothing indicates that this is a thing - at least not yet.
Only way I see that happening is if age 67 actually happens. As long as UA is losing 500 a year off the top, there will be vacancy bids.
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Old 03-27-2024 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
here we go again with “forcing.” Guam is a base, just like any other. This weeks class had 3 Guam, but they all went prior to the 8 ball, so no “forcing” it.
Under the FO GUM awards are all CA awards, which new hires can't take unless they have 1000 121, so just because it wasn't the very bottom, doesn't mean it wasn't forced.
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Old 03-28-2024 | 01:46 AM
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Under the FO GUM awards are all CA awards, which new hires can't take unless they have 1000 121, so just because it wasn't the very bottom, doesn't mean it wasn't forced.
ok, well by that point, let’s say someone lives in Orlando, and they really want MCO. But there aren’t any. Then they get to their pick and they are “forced” into 757 EWR. Well, they aren’t making Captain in MCO any time soon , so they’re likely “forced” to commute to Newark for two years until their seat lock is up.

or how about the people at Delta who lived in Atlanta, got a plane that isn’t based there (A220), so are “forced” to commute to NY for a year until they’re allowed to bid a plane Atlanta has.

if you don’t want to be “forced” somewhere, then apply somewhere else after you start, or quit the profession, I guess. Or, just wait for a vacancy to open and bid out. Guam is 737 only, so you can bid to literally anywhere else.
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Old 03-28-2024 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
ok, well by that point, let’s say someone lives in Orlando, and they really want MCO. But there aren’t any. Then they get to their pick and they are “forced” into 757 EWR. Well, they aren’t making Captain in MCO any time soon , so they’re likely “forced” to commute to Newark for two years until their seat lock is up.

or how about the people at Delta who lived in Atlanta, got a plane that isn’t based there (A220), so are “forced” to commute to NY for a year until they’re allowed to bid a plane Atlanta has.

if you don’t want to be “forced” somewhere, then apply somewhere else after you start, or quit the profession, I guess. Or, just wait for a vacancy to open and bid out. Guam is 737 only, so you can bid to literally anywhere else.
I think you’re reading too much into the verbiage. For the sake of conversation, “forced” just means “involuntary”- meaning it was that individual’s only option. (Other than “apply somewhere else or quit”.) No one is saying involuntary awards are wrong or unfair- we understand how seniority works. It’s just an interesting reference point to know which seats are going involuntary at a given time. If you can remove the emotion you seem to attach to the word “forced” this conversation might make a lot more sense to you.
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