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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer
(Post 2540855)
What exactly is California sick pay type rules?
I want Delta’s sick time policy. 60 hrs a year is a joke. When we are hiring new younger pilots with young kids you can call in for (3) 4 day trips a year paid if they are min pay trips narrowbody. Widebody is even worse since the trips are more efficient. |
Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 2541000)
One day (LUAL) the MEC chair walked into the cockpit .. and some of what was in there was warm and brown. He had bullshattaouilled us royally. . |
Mediation is usually a part of the process at some point when things get sticky. We still retain the option to say no to whatever they hammer out or the mediator thinks is “reasonable”.
But don’t confuse that with BINDING ARBITRATION. |
Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 2541000)
Some smart guy on the other forum posted a scenario where the company just strong arms us all the way to mediation and then scope gets trashed. I have no idea if this is a likely scenario or fantasy, but nothing, absolutely nothing will surprise me. Shortly after deregulation occurred, I thought that the whole industry would shake itself out in 5-8 years. What a lousy prognostication. I have since learned to go with the flow and not agonize over BS out of my control.
One day (LUAL) the MEC chair walked into the cockpit and proudly proclaimed that after years of BS, that we had a TA and had gotten "everything". We asked him several pointed and specific questions and the answer was always, "it's all in there". Well, needless to say, much of it wasn't and some of what was in there was warm and brown. He had bullshattaouilled us royally. The only thing this time around, and I mean the only thing that gives me hope is our new Chairman. Sadly, pilots need a strong MEC to keep them from harming themselves. Openers are just a fairy tale / Christmas wish anyway. Im sure Oscar will love when we finish last every metric we can control...so much for there 4-6% growth... |
ANY relaxation in Scope is an automatic NO vote!!!
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
(Post 2541401)
ANY relaxation in Scope is an automatic NO vote!!!
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Anything that doesn’t bring our outsourced flying under mainline is a no for me.
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Originally Posted by Deafguppy
(Post 2541176)
Mediation is usually a part of the process at some point when things get sticky. We still retain the option to say no to whatever they hammer out or the mediator thinks is “reasonable”.
But don’t confuse that with BINDING ARBITRATION. When it comes down to it, in this environment, pilots have the leverage. We don't have a knife held to our throat like in Bankruptcy or the threat of chaos ensuing during a merger. Could this change with another "black swan" type event? Sure... Most pilots will probably say they can comfortably operate without a new contract for a few years. We went through a merger and contract negotiations with bankruptcy contracts for another 4-5 years past amendable date depending on which Legacy you hailed from. Do you think our current management will be in place if they can't get us a contract by 2023? Scope changes were a Hail Mary at DL and it's a Prayer with United. |
Originally Posted by ron kent
(Post 2541143)
Don’t we have to agree to mediation? I’m perfectly happy to live with our current contract for is long as it takes.
Second, we don't want that either. The company would love to "live with what we have" for as long as it takes. Every year they stall, is another year without contract improvements, whether a better reserve system, or pay raises. Now is that mythical next contract when we will fix the other sections. Don't sell your self short, and don't tell the company that either. I am cautiously optimistic. We have several things the company wants, this means we have leverage. And, I think the company does want labor peace. This is worth negotiating capital to the company. Despite what Kirby is saying about scope--which is a company tactic to negotiate in public-- I think he does want to compete and run an airline. These are the good times. |
Originally Posted by Zoomie
(Post 2541693)
Mediation will happen statistically and culturally speaking at UAL. This isn't DL or SWA here.
When it comes down to it, in this environment, pilots have the leverage. We don't have a knife held to our throat like in Bankruptcy or the threat of chaos ensuing during a merger. Could this change with another "black swan" type event? Sure... Most pilots will probably say they can comfortably operate without a new contract for a few years. We went through a merger and contract negotiations with bankruptcy contracts for another 4-5 years past amendable date depending on which Legacy you hailed from. Do you think our current management will be in place if they can't get us a contract by 2023? Scope changes were a Hail Mary at DL and it's a Prayer with United. In negotiation, he who cares least, wins. In bankruptcy, we caved. American pilots said %^$ No to the companies "Term sheet". The judge overseeing the 1113 case agree. No pay cuts. |
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