Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2543037)

I don't think TK is that easy of a target.

I am not an instructor, nor do I aspire to be, but I must say, I enjoy the experience there, and I feel it adds much value and safety to our product and the profession. I think our pilots would fight for TK and the instructor cadre. I will.

Another thing, by outsourcing instruction to retired pilots please keep in mind that these are not likely to be dues paying members in good-standing. I don't think it has much traction at ALPA. ALPA will want it's dues money.

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 2543090)

I hope you’re right. My TK job is neither here nor there. Having worked at two other major airlines that had retired guys as instructors I have to say I think ours is a better system.

Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 2542551)

....And let the chest thumping begin..to be followed in a couple years by whining, teeth nashing and recall threats.

Same pattern every decade or so.

The pattern of pattern bargaining. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by M5000 (Post 2542680)

I sounds like I may need to review my governing documents. I’m prepared to follow the FOM, WOM, and Flight Manual in exacting detail. Precise, calculated, detail to ensure the safety of our employees and passengers. I will not overlook any detail, no matter how small.

Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2543106)

Having been through IAH TK w/ retired guys who hadn’t touched the airplane in 10+ years, and DEN TK... I would vehemently agree.

Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 2543194)

.... and, my personal favorite, the “flight test” group- ESPECIALLY when those guys kept their “positions” while we furloughed legitimate pilot positions after 9-11. Nothing good is going to come of this.

Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 2543337)

You may be misinformed. The flight test group may fly under our contract, but they do not have seniority positions, and are not allowed to fly in revenue service, or even a generic ferry. They are a totally separate group. If UAL is furloughing, it may or may not affect the flight test group.

Yes, they are legitimate pilots, most with formal flight test school experience, and multiple higher degrees. They have to live in the bay area, and can't commute to a flight test job. Cost of living....

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 2543449)

Guessing he's talking about the test guys from the LCAL side back before the merger?

And yes all of our current test guys are TPS graduates.

Originally Posted by untied (Post 2543514)

How much are we paying PI's at TK?

Aren't some guys making $230,000 or more?

What is the "industry standard" pay for a simulator instructor?

I like the current guys, but I can see why the company might get frustrated paying WAY over market value.