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Freddriver5 03-04-2018 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 2542746)
So how do you operate now? What a dumb thing to say.

Cranky from being up late watching hockey? 😉

pilotgolfer 03-04-2018 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by Freddriver5 (Post 2542824)
Cranky from being up late watching hockey? 😉

Heck I’m cranky all the time. Game was fun last night...still defrosting my chestnuts, though.

Airhoss 03-04-2018 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by LifeNtheFstLne (Post 2540724)
They’re embedded in tonight’s MEC update. Discuss (without negotiating in public).

Looks like they want to gut TK.

pilotgolfer 03-04-2018 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 2542950)
Looks like they want to gut TK.

I’m sure retirees would love your job Hoss...at half the rate, no benefits and no pesky line flying to keep their finger on the pulse of what’s going on.

LifeNtheFstLne 03-04-2018 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 2542950)
Looks like they want to gut TK.

Will be curious to see how this is rebuffed. Hard to make the business case given what AA and DAL do (and they put out a good, safe product). That being said, I think we all prefer being trained by people that may actually have to fly with us. Perhaps they could actually implement the instructor job share provisions first as a compromise. Would certainly save money and still adjust for our migrant worker style seasonal flying.

Airhoss 03-04-2018 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by LifeNtheFstLne (Post 2542957)
Will be curious to see how this is rebuffed. Hard to make the business case given what AA and DAL do (and they put out a good, safe product). That being said, I think we all prefer being trained by people that may actually have to fly with us. Perhaps they could actually implement the instructor job share provisions first as a compromise. Would certainly save money and still adjust for our migrant worker style seasonal flying.

TK is an easy target. I'll also be interested to see how this goes down.

baseball 03-04-2018 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 2542969)
TK is an easy target. I'll also be interested to see how this goes down.

I don't think TK is that easy of a target.

I am not an instructor, nor do I aspire to be, but I must say, I enjoy the experience there, and I feel it adds much value and safety to our product and the profession. I think our pilots would fight for TK and the instructor cadre. I will.

Another thing, by outsourcing instruction to retired pilots please keep in mind that these are not likely to be dues paying members in good-standing. I don't think it has much traction at ALPA. ALPA will want it's dues money.

baseball 03-04-2018 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 2541009)
I think “modify JV” and “own a foreign carrier” are more worrisome than RJs (since I think that Maginot Line will not be breached).

The griping on the DAL threads is often about International flying (and ergo, wide-bodies) being flown by other carriers....

There’s scope at both ends of the spectrum.

My best advice is to dig up the failed JV LOA the CAL NC tried to make the CAL MEC approve in the dark of night in the guise of "furlough mitigation." Read it over and do a risk assessment. It's a back door to scope relief. Maybe it's a front door too.

Flytolive 03-04-2018 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 2541763)
In bankruptcy, we caved. American pilots said %^$ No to the companies "Term sheet". The judge overseeing the 1113 case agree. No pay cuts.

Two completely different financial circumstances, but point taken.

untied 03-04-2018 07:04 PM

Our big mistake is we always try to “hold the line” on scope.

Then...in negotiations...we give a little.

Our starting position should be to reduce RJ flying by 50% over the next 10 years.

Negotiate from there.


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