Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald

I know you know, we need to educate all the new hires that haven't seen a contract negotiations. We are just really in the middle of the process. Many I talk to expected a contract by the end of Jan.

A very good lesson everyone needs to remember, the courts are not labor friendly. We are very limited in what we can do in regards to labor actions, and it will now be a long process with Kirby being the bump in the road.

Originally Posted by baseball

The history stuff is good, but I would prefer not to even mention the word "sick" or "sick out" or anything of that nature.

Originally Posted by oldmako

Your posts are routinely anti-union and pro-company. Do you work for the company in any capacity other than a full-time line pilot?

With only 26 posts, it took me less than ten minutes to sample them. Your opinion is, of course, your own but it flies (no pun) in the face of most of my union brothers.

If that's your politics, fine. But if you have a hidden agenda you ought to be upfront about it on a primarily labor forum. I am not Lizzie Borden WRT labor/company ops. I am from the camp that believes that most of us want to work for an industry-leading juggernaut airline and kick DAL's a$$. We're willing to pull hard on the rope, just as we did when pulling the company out of the horrid operational morass that occurred during the MANY years of lousy performance following 9-11. I want us to lead in every metric, especially PS. But, I don't want us to be bludgeoned with that rope, and I don't want UA mainline flying jobs being parcelled out to commuter airlines. I already took one for the team, I don't want to take another.

Meanwhile, it's now silly-season and we have a ton of new hires, many of whom have zero experience in this realm. It would be great to proceed with all of us on the same page. Tailored messages and propaganda tend to stand out, and they also carry a particular stench. Anyone who lived through the BS of the bankruptcy and continues to carry their water gives me pause.

This is a big reason why I don't trust this forum and may curtail my participation as we move further into the negotiation process.

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Originally Posted by detpilot

Everyone talks about "Flying the Line."

That is probably one of the hardest to read books I've ever seen, similar to "The Art of War." Seems great for little snippets, but reading it cover to cover when you don't know any of the names, etc, was to much for me. I could not follow it, at all. And I read a LOT. Good luck.

Originally Posted by CLazarus

I hear ya. I do think it is worth closely reading the chapters on the 83 CAL and 85 UAL strikes, they explain a lot about how we got where we are now. The rest can be skimmed without missing much, but I did come away with a greater appreciation of what our pilot forefathers went through in the early years.



As for this thread, I would never for an instant consider participating in any sort of illegal job action. There, I put it in writing. Good luck to anyone who tries to prove I've behaved otherwise in the future.

Originally Posted by rightside02

I totally agree . That book is dam hard to read . Glad I wasn’t the only one feeding this way.

Now that I’m here . I want to read it again with some of the knowledge I have read from guys senior to me .

I also worry about the future when it comes to guys forgetting the past and not holding the line in the future . Just think about 10/15 years from now . Many of the guys here for the war days will be retired .

Mentoring is extremely important esp about teaching history .

Thx to all that take the time .