HuggyU2

Two typos, actually.

ThumbsUp

Good catch.

snackysmores

Lieutenants aren't cops they are accountants, his words not mine! 🤣

paulcg77

Lieutenants get to their rank because they spent 15-20+ years as street cops. But, ok. No point in responding to people who don't want to hear anything but their own narrative.

paulcg77

The truth is that I was born and raised in SF and I go back to visit family regularly, but I live in Hawaii. I've spent 20 years in the military, mostly active duty, with the last few years as a reservist while commuting to California for my civilian 121 job. My wife is still active duty here, though I expect eventually we'll move back to that place you call a SH run by "communist maniacs". Your words make it clear that your issue, as with so many on here, is with California/SF's politics, not the actual crime rates that are in the FBI statistics et al., and in that case, there's no reasoning with you about this because you're not going to change your mind regardless of facts.

snackysmores

I was born and raised in the east bay. Growing up in the 90s was awesome. Left around 2015 but still go back to visit relatives as well. Sorry, but it's a sh!thole now. Yes, there are many other sh!tholes too but the focus of this thread has been this sh!thole in particular. The best thing SF could do for itself is recall it's woke DA and start enforcing the law again. The people wantonly running around looting stores in the bay area (and seemingly nowhere else, wonder why) need to be in prison where they belong. The prop 47 experiment has been quite a spectacular failure and anyone with half a brain could see it coming.

So in reality which red state do you plan on retiring in?

worstpilotever

nowhere else? Please tell me you don’t believe this. It’s been happening all over the country.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ganized-crime/

paulcg77

There are parts of the Bay Area that suck, and there are parts of SF that I'd never live in. That doesn't mean that the Bay Area collectively is a "SH" any more than SF as a whole is a "SH". When I was growing up in SF in the 80's and early 90's, the East Bay was probably the biggest example of extremes; Oakland, Hayward, etc., were rough, but just a few miles away, Walnut Creek, Pleasanton, Orinda, etc., were some of the wealthiest cities in the USA. I can see how someone who grew up there who is roughly my age might see things that way because I remember how much parts of the East Bay were struggling back then. The problem I have with labeling the entire Bay Area a ****hole is that it's just not true - you have mid-sized cities in the East Bay that are still among the lowest crime and highest income in the entire country (especially Pleasanton - beautiful place!). You have cities like Sausalito, Mill Valley, Palo Alto, St. Helena, et al., that are also extremely wealthy and distributed geographically across the Bay. You also have plenty of middle class areas that are also great.

The same can be said for SF. It has some rough areas, no doubt. I'd never live in the Tenderloin though I have friends who do and my own sister lived there for several years while at UC Hastings. You also have Nob Hill, North Beach, Sunset and the Presidio areas that I'd love to live in if I could afford it. Just because a city has some bad neighborhoods doesn't mean the entire city is a SH, and likewise, just because you disagree with the politics of the majority of people living there doesn't make the entire city a crime infested SH. You asked where I'd like to retire and if I had a choice, it'd be Nob Hill or the Presidio areas. I'm a city person in my heart and when I was stationed at Oceana, I lived in Ghent; when I was doing a shore tour in DC, I lived in Chinatown, etc., so I'd love to live in SF again. It won't be the Tenderloin, but I'm hoping by the time I retire, the tech bros will have completely left and we might actually be able to afford the neighborhoods I mentioned.

paulcg77

No. Look up the definition of the 'Bay Area'. You might want to look at Palo Alto (Peninsula), Walnut Creek (East Bay), Mill Valley (North Bay), San Carlos (Peninsula), Tiburon (North Bay), Pleasanton (East Bay), Cupertino/Los Altos (South Bay), St. Helena (North Bay), and Danville (East Bay). These are some of the wealthiest cities with some of the lowest crime rates in the entire country, not just California, and they're all in the Bay Area. Anyone who labels the entire region a ****hole either isn't familiar with the geography or has a political agenda because it just isn't true.

OpieTaylor

Wealthy areas are nice everywhere in the world, even in a SH.
A nice area is people who take pride in their dignity and don’t rely on the government for it. They don’t need to be wealthy. I didn't label SF a SH I’ve never been there.