You’ve finally convinced me that we need flow through. We need more pilots with your attitude! Do you seriously think your arguments in this thread are helping your cause? I’ve only flown with one FO who came from the CPP. He acted very entitled and was quite rough while operating the airplane. I was not impressed with his performance in the least. Additionally, there are pilots I run into quite often from one particular regional that embody that entitled attitude. These attitudes seriously hurt your flow through argument case.

 

DAL seems to be very happy with 110 seaters. i bet UAL could fly the E195 or A220 profitably since DL has about 150 110 seaters in their fleet or on order. and if united gets 90 A220-100s or E190/195E2s then they can get 70 large RJs if they so choose and park the extremly high CASM 50 seaters

 

I'm curious to know if you work for a regional or major. I find your comments to be completely contradictory with my experience.

Grant it there may be some who are more experienced than me, but my ATP is 47 years old. I have type ratings on the DC9, B727, B757, B767, B777, DC3 and CL-65 earned in that order. I am a current CFII, ASE&ME and Rotorcraft-Helicopter. I have over 25K hours in Douglas and Boeings (mostly Boeings) and about 1500 hours in CRJs. I have no doubt I can checkout a CFI with 1500 hours out in a B767 and have him be competent in no more time (and no less) than a CRJ. On what do you base your comments?

 

As I hear it told, the zero time/low time/CPP program that some super senior Dulles Check Airman dreamed up is not going well....so, we have V2.

I don't care what they call it, Aviate, or whatever. We line pilots don't get to vote on whatever programs management dreams up.

As long as management sees the wisdom in hiring mature and experienced pilots with a reasonable amount of decision-making time (PIC TIME), then it should be fine.

What we don't want is line Captains giving primary flight instruction to new hires. It really does take about 2000 hours to put a pilot in a good position to do well in both the training program and to come to the line and be competent in all phases of the job.

We do not get a vote on this program, but we do get to vote on our contract. Scope will not be relaxed. Why? Because we know what management will do if we relax it. Bye-bye mainline jobs.

 

Have you flown with someone who doesn't want a visual approach but prefers a nice vector for a 30° intercept 4 miles outside the marker? It gets old pretty quick.

 

Whatever program it is, we need to have one thing in place....The airline needs the right to say no if it has to.

We don't control what assets the airline chooses to buy or not to buy. So, we can't control what the airline does with regard to its regional feed.

I don't think it's necessarily a good thing that those pilots are guaranteed to work for American. I am sure American has to scratch their head every once in a while and say "gee what are we doing?"

No perfect model out there that I can see. I think you some basic ingredients to any pilot hiring program for it to be successful:

1. Minimum standards requisite for success in training and on the line.
2. No favoritism or bonus points for checking a minority box.
3. Place a value on crew time, 121/135 time, military time, and PIC turbine time.
4. Maturity and attitude. Immature, lazy, silver platter, self indulgent brats need not apply.

 

Sure. But I don't care any more. I brief the FO's to fly it like it's their aircraft. If I have a question or suggestion I'll speak up.

I used to care when I flew SNB. I think the SNB lends itself well to doing slam dunks and short approaches.

If someone wants a 30 degree hack at it so be it.

I typically fly to S. America. No way am I accepting a visual approach down there. I don't want to be responsible for accepting my own traffic separation. I'll let ATC earn their peso's, or whatever.

 

You have family in São Paulo?

 

I work at a UAX carrier and meet all the requirements of the Aviate program but I dont plan on applying. If I apply off the street in the future, will I be looked at negatively for not applying to Aviate?

 

There’s a chance you won’t be looked at....at all. Many people with excellent qualifications don’t get the call, for whatever reason. Why wouldn’t you apply to a program that offers to put you in front of the people who make the decision? I had my apps in for years, with multiple carriers. Went to job fairs, did all I could. Never heard from the Big 6. The CPP gave me a chance to get in front of the people who do the hiring. The rest was up to me, but just GETTING the interview can be harder than you think. Unless you have military flight time, you can’t count on your phone ringing. Accumulating hours at the regional won’t be enough.
Back to your original question........maybe they won’t look at you negatively, but they might ask. What are you going to tell them your reason was for not applying? Do you think that answer is going to sway them one way or another?