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horrido27 10-30-2019 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by sonnycrockett (Post 2914928)
I may have never always agreed with Motch, but I can't think of a better Union brother to have in the trenches. We all have our opinions and that is fine but we all need to see the bigger picture!

Motch is good people....

Dude.. LOL
Thanks man.

That comment about us ALL having our opinions is spot on.
The crazy thing about the world we live in today is that anonymous people can create a user name and stir up the pot without any ramifications.
At least when you identify yourself and you decide to go off the beaten path.. there is some sort of integrity in that.

Currently there seems to have been 4 "pilots" who got into the UAL Pilot Forum FB Group and did just that, threw grenades and stirred up the pot with "fake news" before being outed and banned.

Goes to show that silly season is upon us.
Until I retire, I'll do what I can to help out my fellow pilots.. especially the NewHires and those new to my fleet.

Always
FS, FP & FtC
Motch

horrido27 10-30-2019 09:40 AM

Now.. how about that Vacancy 20-04v bid!

Dave Fitzgerald 10-30-2019 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by Oskeewowow (Post 2914744)
I'm not dumb enough to post my name on an internet forum, but I'll be sure to bring up all my grievances to you the next time we cross 30 west together....


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Uhhh….guess I'm not too smart.

C-141's 708th/710th Travis AFB. 1 day notice of mil leave on Aug 2, 1990.....for a year. Who was inconvenienced here?

That Guy 74 10-30-2019 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 2915050)
Uhhh….guess I'm not too smart.

C-141's 708th/710th Travis AFB. 1 day notice of mil leave on Aug 2, 1990.....for a year. Who was inconvenienced here?

Seem to remember something happened somewhere that required a lot of trash hauling to someplace hot and sandy.

Only inconvenience for me was that I wasn't flying the Hawg yet to go gorge on the highway of death.

Thor 10-30-2019 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by WarEagle28 (Post 2914533)
I’m glad the men and women serving in the military protecting your freedom of speech are “a drag” and “a cost without return”. Without that freedom of speech, We wouldn’t be able to hear your pompous a**, congratulations!

Crawl back in your hole, troll!

I have 2 honorable discharges, how many do you have?

Those pilots who abuse USSERA serve in a volunteer force, nobody’s been conscripted, drafted, or forced to serve. To claim some moral high ground for “god and county” is a load of horse poop. Every reservist and guard bum I’ve flown with answers the same way when I ask “why do you do it?”. The answer is always “for the retirement”. In fact, if you were to take away the personal enrichment and financial incentive of a military retirement, how many pilots would hide behind USSERA?

As far as being a drag on the system, as pointed out; training, benefits, and extra manpower are all real excess costs borne by the company for which there’s zero ROI. Yes, that is a drag on the network.

WarEagle28 10-30-2019 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Thor (Post 2915101)
I have 2 honorable discharges, how many do you have?

Those pilots who abuse USSERA serve in a volunteer force, nobody’s been conscripted, drafted, or forced to serve. To claim some moral high ground for “god and county” is a load of horse poop. Every reservist and guard bum I’ve flown with answers the same way when I ask “why do you do it?”. The answer is always “for the retirement”. In fact, if you were to take away the personal enrichment and financial incentive of a military retirement, how many pilots would hide behind USSERA?

As far as being a drag on the system, as pointed out; training, benefits, and extra manpower are all real excess costs borne by the company for which there’s zero ROI. Yes, that is a drag on the network.

Ive had 2 honorable as well, working on my 3rd (thank you for your service Thor) ...We will just have to agree to disagree on this subject.


Now where’s that bid

NFLUALNFL 10-30-2019 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 2915050)
Uhhh….guess I'm not too smart.

C-141's 708th/710th Travis AFB. 1 day notice of mil leave on Aug 2, 1990.....for a year. Who was inconvenienced here?

I'm dumb too. 48 hours notice for one year orders, with a 7-month pregnant wife. That was a real "drag" on my "system".

Can we talk about bids now.

Broncofan 10-30-2019 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by 82spukram (Post 2914536)
Bronco

It must of been shocking to hear that seniority in indoc was age based. Nobody ever explained that to you? Like when they offered the CJO? In 2013 that was made very clear.....enjoy the lawsuit. BTW I was the 8 ball of my class....that means I will make more money, more contributions to the 401k, and longer timeframe in the highest paying seats then any other classmates and I get to retire in the top 100 which is something none of my other classmates can say. So yeah for 20 months I had to commute....I don’t know how I survived this injustice.

Did I say that I was going to sue? Nope. I just said someday, someone is going to sue and I think they will win. I knew perfectly well what was going to happen going into indoc, that doesn't mean it's right though. Listen, I'm not going to change any ones opinion on here because we all seem to have stubborn opinions. I'm sorry the older crowd has time and money to make up, i get that. However I had kids at home too, I was a zombie commuting across the country. And that would be fine if it were completely random, and it's still fine, that was years ago. But to say someone deserves more seniority than me just because he is older? Sorry not buying it.

Thor 10-30-2019 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by WarEagle28 (Post 2915117)
Ive had 2 honorable as well, working on my 3rd (thank you for your service Thor) ...We will just have to agree to disagree on this subject.


Now where’s that bid

To be clear, I don’t begrudge a guy working in the reserves/guard to cross the retirement finish line and get his due. There should be a little something extra for hanging it all out in a force that’s been asked to do more with less.

I do have a problem with premeditated sharpshooting for fun and profit that abuses the the intent of the law, the company, and fellow pilots (and then to hear them brag about it). My previous comments are aimed at abuse which is rare, but it happens and damages the reputations of all. I hope we can agree on that point.

Thanks for working on HD #3!

Grumble 10-30-2019 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Thor (Post 2915101)
I have 2 honorable discharges, how many do you have?

Those pilots who abuse USSERA serve in a volunteer force, nobody’s been conscripted, drafted, or forced to serve. To claim some moral high ground for “god and county” is a load of horse poop. Every reservist and guard bum I’ve flown with answers the same way when I ask “why do you do it?”. The answer is always “for the retirement”. In fact, if you were to take away the personal enrichment and financial incentive of a military retirement, how many pilots would hide behind USSERA?

As far as being a drag on the system, as pointed out; training, benefits, and extra manpower are all real excess costs borne by the company for which there’s zero ROI. Yes, that is a drag on the network.

When the company isn't closing BES’s only to reopen them, and domestic narrow body production gets within range of 7 hrs/day(or even 6) without a dozen 3 hour airport sits/month in a line award, etc... you can preach about what a drag mil guys are on the system and the man power costs. As of now they’re so insignificant the company doesn’t even care. Not even a rounding error. Long term mil leave guys draw zero benefits, they literally cost zero while they’re gone. Why don’t you just say thanks for your service and move on within the realm of your own business?

As far as profiteering? I lose over $500/day just in pay... so yeah try again. That big profit sharing check this year is gonna pay off huge on the 300 or so hours I’ve credited.


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