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Originally Posted by Thor
(Post 2914463)
You’re deluded by your self importance, maybe you’re being facetious? Any pilot who’s not on the line producing revenue is a drag on the network. A cost without return.
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Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 2914519)
You say you're not bashing military pilots, but then...you seem to do it.
Not only do we have pilots on MLLV, but we have dispatchers, mechanics, flight attendants, agents, you name it. The entire corporation has to deal with it in all departments. Also, all of corporate America has to deal with it from Jiffylube to Walmart to Delta to American to JetBlue to Southwest. it is what it is. There was a determination by the National Command Authority back in the 1980's to shift the burden of national defense to citizen soldiers and to have the states as well as corporate America shoulder more of the burden. I guess you could dig up Reagan's corpse and both chambers of congress and moan and groan to them about it, but it's the cost of doing business today and it's how we will fight wars in the today and in the future. The same rules apply to all players, to include state and local governments and police forces and fire, EMS, etc. I think I have made my point fairly clear. We have a former MEC Chair at Continental who went on a 21 year MLLV. So what. A 3 year MLLV is not big deal. And yes, putting in MLLV inside of 24 hours may be an inconvenience. if it was, the company would staff more reserves. Pop up taskings happen. The guard/reserve continues to do more with less. It's called "military necessity." if a dude or dudet took a 3 year MLLV so what. Nothing you say, or purport to say, or insinuate, or hint at is going to change any of that. The more the company does to pee off the pilots the more mllv gets dropped. PBS is what it is. Pilots will drop MLLV after they see their PBS award and decide what they can and can't do. while every company in the US has to deal with USERRA i would think airlines see it more than most. simple reasoning; about 35-50% of new hire pilots at most airlines are military trained pilots. i have 0 knowledge of what % of those are guard/ reserve but i would guess half of those are either guard from the start or finishing out their 20 in the guard/reserves. so 18-25 %, give or take, of your newhire workforce is in this catagory. i doubt many other companys can say the same. if you see no issues with a person taking a job when the have no plans to actually do the civilian job they are applying for all while forcing that company to put 10s of thousands of dollars into an account for that individual then i am not going to change your mind. i understand that the government is shifting towards guard/reserve to save money and honestly this makes alot of sense financially. I also understand that most guard/reserve folks are caught between 2 very demanding jobs and often times the only real loser is their families. but at the end of the day the way it is used by some for things like -getting specific days off their senority could not hold. - getting out of undesirable trips. - getting a sen# while still planning to spend years on AGR status to get a 20 year retirement. you can see why people whom it is not directly benefiting would call it into question. we all know USERRA wont change because ,like you said, it places alot of the financial burden on companies and not the government. |
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 2914554)
i understand that the government is shifting towards guard/reserve to save money and honestly this makes alot of sense financially. I also understand that most guard/reserve folks are caught between 2 very demanding jobs and often times the only real loser is their families. People's personal opinions, both within the guard/reserve, and OUTSIDE the guard/reserve are just that. Their personal views. How you FEEL about someone's decison-making process is up to you. How you feel is a personal thing. I recall the IAH Ast CP saying...."you need to choose between Continental and your Navy unit." That ACP was relieved the day after the suit hit. He had his opinion and it cost him for running his mouth and being recorded doing it. The three important things are: YES, the gaurd/reserve provides a viatal national defense function, and YES it costs money. and YES it's a drain on personal life and professional life. It's a compromise. UAL, like everyone else has to deal with that compromise. I will always take extremely strong exception to anyone speaking negatively about someone taking mil leave for what they perceive as an injustice to others, regardless of what day they were hired. The company, just as the training department staff knows better than to mention something so reckless. You may have your personal opinions about someone taking short notice MLLV, or even MLLV while a new hire. I would encourage you to keep those views to yourself. You can't know, nor pretend to know all of the factors involved. That new hire may or may not be looking forward to all of the aspects of that activation, but regardless, it's none of your business. |
Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 2914611)
People's personal opinions, both within the guard/reserve, and OUTSIDE the guard/reserve are just that. Their personal views. How you FEEL about someone's decison-making process is up to you. How you feel is a personal thing.
I recall the IAH Ast CP saying...."you need to choose between Continental and your Navy unit." That ACP was relieved the day after the suit hit. He had his opinion and it cost him for running his mouth and being recorded doing it. The three important things are: YES, the gaurd/reserve provides a viatal national defense function, and YES it costs money. and YES it's a drain on personal life and professional life. It's a compromise. UAL, like everyone else has to deal with that compromise. I will always take extremely strong exception to anyone speaking negatively about someone taking mil leave for what they perceive as an injustice to others, regardless of what day they were hired. The company, just as the training department staff knows better than to mention something so reckless. You may have your personal opinions about someone taking short notice MLLV, or even MLLV while a new hire. I would encourage you to keep those views to yourself. You can't know, nor pretend to know all of the factors involved. That new hire may or may not be looking forward to all of the aspects of that activation, but regardless, it's none of your business. |
Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 2914611)
People's personal opinions, both within the guard/reserve, and OUTSIDE the guard/reserve are just that. Their personal views. How you FEEL about someone's decison-making process is up to you. How you feel is a personal thing.
Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 2914611)
I recall the IAH Ast CP saying...."you need to choose between Continental and your Navy unit." That ACP was relieved the day after the suit hit. He had his opinion and it cost him for running his mouth and being recorded doing it.
Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 2914611)
The three important things are: YES, the gaurd/reserve provides a viatal national defense function, and YES it costs money. and YES it's a drain on personal life and professional life. It's a compromise. UAL, like everyone else has to deal with that compromise.
Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 2914611)
I will always take extremely strong exception to anyone speaking negatively about someone taking mil leave for what they perceive as an injustice to others, regardless of what day they were hired.
Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 2914611)
The company, just as the training department staff knows better than to mention something so reckless. You may have your personal opinions about someone taking short notice MLLV, or even MLLV while a new hire. I would encourage you to keep those views to yourself. You can't know, nor pretend to know all of the factors involved. That new hire may or may not be looking forward to all of the aspects of that activation, but regardless, it's none of your business.
if I have come a cross as anti MIL that was not my intent. please take that for what it is worth. my opinions on the matter are from personal experience not anecdotal evidence. I assume you are a active member of our military and I thank you for your service. |
Someone let me know if I'm wrong here but doesn't it behoove the airlines to hire retired military and enable their Guard/Reserve pilots to get to their 20 years since they are likely to use Tricare and not the company healthcare plan in the long run.
This website shows that a family plan at most large firms costs the employer on average $15,000 a year for their share of the contribution. Do the math on that for 23-30 years for a mil hire and that's $300-450k (in today's money) that doesn't become a "drag" on the company. https://www.peoplekeep.com/blog/how-...insurance-cost |
Originally Posted by whaler
(Post 2914549)
Cost of our freedom *********.
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Originally Posted by Waggy122
(Post 2914680)
Someone let me know if I'm wrong here but doesn't it behoove the airlines to hire retired military and enable their Guard/Reserve pilots to get to their 20 years since they are likely to use Tricare and not the company healthcare plan in the long run.
This website shows that a family plan at most large firms costs the employer on average $15,000 a year for their share of the contribution. Do the math on that for 23-30 years for a mil hire and that's $300-450k (in today's money) that doesn't become a "drag" on the company. https://www.peoplekeep.com/blog/how-...insurance-cost Healthcare may go the way of the do-it-yourself pension, available starting in January. https://www.wsj.com/articles/your-em...-k-11561109401 "A landmark change will soon give more American workers control over their health-care coverage, but be warned: There are pitfalls. Beginning Jan. 1, 2020, companies can provide employees with tax-free dollars to purchase an individual policy rather than offer them a traditional group-health plan...the so-called Health Reimbursement Arrangements..." |
Originally Posted by Floyd
(Post 2914681)
I'm civilian and completely agree. "Drag on our network"? Shameful.
US Code for background info only so y'all can decide for yourself: §4301. Purposes; sense of Congress (a) The purposes of this chapter are- (1) to encourage noncareer service in the uniformed services by eliminating or minimizing the disadvantages to civilian careers and employment which can result from such service; (2) to minimize the disruption to the lives of persons performing service in the uniformed services as well as to their employers, their fellow employees, and their communities, by providing for the prompt reemployment of such persons upon their completion of such service; and (3) to prohibit discrimination against persons because of their service in the uniformed services. Lets get back to talking about MOABs and new hires unhappy with the 756. |
I can’t figure out why any pilot would have a problem. Every guy ahead of me on mil leave effectively moves me up a number when I bid every month.
That’s a good thing. |
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