27 and just separated from the AF??? How does that work...

I have friends who separated at the end of their FAIP tour. The youngest was hired by United at 26.

Not in today’s day and age, the USAF is bleeding pilots and doing everything they can to hang on to them.

Lol. Look up 2 posts. 27.

As was previously asked, how was this pilot able to get out “in today’s retention environment”.
ReadyRsv, could you enlighten us?

Maybe we could come up with a formula based on an aircraft’s productivity. Something like speed x seat capacity x constant. It would work for every fleet, including a small NB. Nevermind.......

I too am sick that we are still dealing with contract language that was forced upon us during bankruptcy.

He was an Eagle driver and he told them he identified as “straight” so they let him out immediately.

That'll do it.

Yeah, what year was that? 1991? In 2003 they were letting anyone that wanted to get out loose, today they’re all but stop lossing.

Actually, they are approving a high percentage of Palace Chase applications for early separation. Usually 6 months or less off of an ADSC, I was one of them. My guess is this is to facilitate retention of talent by encouraging everyone to stay in the Guard/Reserve since they know they won’t keep us on active duty.


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If I'm comprehending your post correctly, a 6-month curtailment is one thing. But the average AF pilot who went to UPT right out of college has a commitment that has them until they are 33 years old.

Curtailing 6 years of commitment? I'd be surprised if that is happening without some extraordinary circumstances.

Yes, I am only addressing the comment that they are all but stop lossing at this point. I have no idea how to cut years off of a UPT commitment other than winning the force shaping lottery. I wish I knew the secret, I would have used it years ago.


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Could be a guard/reserve pilot who was on seasoning orders with their unit for a couple of years and is now off of those active duty orders and serving as a traditional reservist.

My thought as well.

Funny you mention that as every candidate we’ve had rush our unit was denied PC. Every new hire in the last prob year or more has either been a UPT or Inter-service transfer with the exception of one, who was done with his commitment.

We get any more Marines we’ll have to have the LPA stock the vending machines with crayons.

11F? I’m sure that has something to do with it. Us C-17 guys are cheap (relatively) to replace. It would surprise me to hear of any guys with less than 6 months getting denied. The approval has been delegated to the O-6 PC office director, and it doesn’t even go all the way to HAF. Maybe that’s not the case for 11Fs.

Sorry for the derail, back to discussing y’alls awesome opportunities in the latest vacancy...



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Funny!:mad:
There are a few low time kids in the ANG looking to get hired.:cool:

It's been very frustrating for 756 hires that had no choice on equipment and live in DEN, IAH, ORD. Almost 3 years seniority to hold ORD. 73/Bus pilots junior to us are bidding on to our equipment while we have to wait out a 2 year seatlock to be based at home.

Whining done....


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Throw a base trade in the water and see if you snag a whale.

Who’s senior? Would you trade your seniority with any of them, or just suck it up for 2 years and then jump in ahead of them in base at home? It’s 2 years of a many years career. Cope.

But then once you get there you can start whining about how stagnant and senior those bases are and how EWR and SFO have it so good!

SMH. :rolleyes:

filler

I don’t mind the venting but I will say which seats are yours? Definitely not the vacant seats jr pilots are holding. I too commuted while jr pilots held IAH. It sucked but I never said hey that’s my seat....why? Because if it was mine then I would have been in it.

Try a base trade. Otherwise all those jr guys are going to make your QOL better for the rest of your career.

It’s one thing to knowingly take a 2yr seat lock into the 777 and know what you’re getting. It’s another to be forced into a 756 which will keep you on the coasts for 2yrs. So yes, I can understand those frustrated watching people junior scoop up their home town in a vacancy. For once AA beats us at something, seat lock rules for new hires.

And DL keeps you in a seat for a year regardless w/ no upward or downward options from what I understand and selects via SSN process. Our younger pilots usually get the fewest options and the geriatric crowd gets their choice of what’s available. Seems reasonable. I did the 2yr lock myself and then switched. Honestly it wasn’t that bad (though not all unicorns/rainbows) and I don’t think it’s unreasonable.

*Some* sort of seat lock has to exist unless you want all of your profit sharing diverted down the training drain hole. Currently a newhire here could go from 737 to 756 to 777 in successive vacancies if they wanted. That’s pretty incredible.

The company’s gotta fill seats and has to decide where pilots go when they come in the door. One solution could be to incentivize the 756 fleet w/ better pay but someone’s always going to get the short end of the stick. My 2year newhire 756 seatlock took me to some awesome places and had me flying w/ some phenomenal crews. If that’s the price to pay to work here than it suits me fine. Just one guy’s opinion.

I guess you could always have declined the job offer, problem solved.

Again, another example of why the seat lock rules for the whole pilot group should not apply and should be modified for new hires. Something like sit your ass down and no equipment changes (only base) while you’re on probation seems more reasonable.

Shack. You sir nailed it.

Rv

It sucks.

I would rather have an option that you carry your seat lock forward once a career so a new hire could bid off the 756 to lower band to be based at home but then would take an equipment lock of 2 years plus the balance of your initial lock....say you bid down after 6 months on property then your new lock would be 3.5 years. However we are suppose to have a sizable bid next month (December not the November one) and if that is true I would imagine you will be happy then......also consider bidding up to the 777 and hope to go 92 days past the effective date and then use 8-F-9 to bump to the desired equipment and base....

My point is there are ways to break the lock.

Good luck

I’m sorry you (not you personally) got hired at United and into the 757/767 right out of the gate. I’m sure it’s a huge step back from what you were doing. You should probably quit, who in the world should spend two years on reserve after new hire? What a f’ing travesty.

That coast to coast commute I did as a new hire with a smile on my face must’ve been a way worse deal than I realized.

It beats flying out of OAIX for 6-12 months.

Or years.......

Lol. You should quit. Teach them a lesson for forcing you against your will.

So let's get this straight, you got hired into your dream job after years or decades of abuse in the regionals or military. And Now you complain about being a 757/767 pilot getting the highest new-hire pay and quality work rules in our collective airline history!

I know what we can do, give out some participation awards, because we are all "special."

Enough with the sarcasm. You got the job, enjoy your hard work and if the commute doesn't work, move and make it work.

I agree with the not whining!
One thing first year pay is the same across the board. 2nd for the people complaining about junior people taking the vacancy for being in a seat lock ,suck it up buttercup its the contract the union posted numerous emails and letters warning y'all that this would happen.

Or cross your fingers and bid for the ORD 787 FO slots that will come on the next bid (or next couple). Since it is a new Category, virtually anyone can bid for it.

Heck if you end up holding it, you will get a pay raise and get off the coast!

Plus then you will be able to complain about how bad the reserve system sucks for a good long while!

He obviously wasn’t military as he would have dropped Long term mil leave after consolidation was complete to work on his other retirement while UAL contributed to his B-fund (all the while he would get to participate in vacancy bids even bidding 777 FO in SFO for increased B fund contributions). Couple of years (and many vacancy bids and PS checks) later he magically appears at DENFTC for requal skipping the whole commuting to the coast thingy... Not a bad gig!

B-fund contributions are based on a percentage of income, so how does someone on mil leave get company contributions if they don’t have an income with the company to base a % on? Doesn't 16% of 0 = 0?

Now that was funny and well written.
:)

It wasn’t meant to be taken literally.

Not quite, it’s only a new category on the first bid.