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11-28-2019 | 02:18 AM
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Like it or not, a pay rise for pilots isn’t going to yield an ROI to United unless they negotiate other productivity improvements. And that’s the way they see it.
11-28-2019 | 02:45 AM
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11-28-2019 | 02:49 AM
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Spending money on things that pay for themselves is easy. RJs generate a monetary ROI. New ground equipment saves money by increasing reliability/reducing waste. New livery and uniforms also generate a ROI, although not directly.
Like it or not, a pay rise for pilots isn’t going to yield an ROI to United unless they negotiate other productivity improvements. And that’s the way they see it.
Like it or not, a pay rise for pilots isn’t going to yield an ROI to United unless they negotiate other productivity improvements. And that’s the way they see it.
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11-28-2019 | 05:20 AM
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”Billions in buybacks” was on RJDio’s list. No ROI for the company on that. Just a pure pay raise for execs, some of their compensation based on that. No productivity improvement involved. Yes, “that’s the way they see.” That’s the way they always see it. For us, this for that, a zero sum contract. For them, it’s this, and lots more of this. That’s now how we see it hopefully. We should greater compensation not necessarily offset by anything other than the fact that there is no product without us, the employees, and that product is very good right now. Mountains of cash.
We're pilots...……...We need to think like pilots. At the end of the day our career is what we value it at, and not what management says its worth.
I am tired of low ball expectations coming out of management's mouth. Their homes are paid for, and their kids college funds are safe and secure, and their retirements were funded the day they got hired. most of them have second and third homes, and they get to ride in first class whenever they want.
Tired of management left overs being handed down to the ones making this happen. We, the pilots are in the drivers seat and we're in charge. Take it back, take it all friggin back. We're still about 15 years behind in taking it back.
the lost decade has had a domino effect on everything economic related to pilots earnings and retirements.
We still got a pilot shortage. That should mean something to management. That means "management hasn't done enough to restore the profession." If they had done their work, on their side of the table, then we wouldn't have a shortage of pilots, we'd have a gluttony.
11-28-2019 | 07:42 AM
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I honestly don't care how and why management sees what they see. We don't get a key to the executive wash room and we don't get a corner office.
We're pilots...……...We need to think like pilots. At the end of the day our career is what we value it at, and not what management says its worth.
I am tired of low ball expectations coming out of management's mouth. Their homes are paid for, and their kids college funds are safe and secure, and their retirements were funded the day they got hired. most of them have second and third homes, and they get to ride in first class whenever they want.
Tired of management left overs being handed down to the ones making this happen. We, the pilots are in the drivers seat and we're in charge. Take it back, take it all friggin back. We're still about 15 years behind in taking it back.
the lost decade has had a domino effect on everything economic related to pilots earnings and retirements.
We still got a pilot shortage. That should mean something to management. That means "management hasn't done enough to restore the profession." If they had done their work, on their side of the table, then we wouldn't have a shortage of pilots, we'd have a gluttony.
We're pilots...……...We need to think like pilots. At the end of the day our career is what we value it at, and not what management says its worth.
I am tired of low ball expectations coming out of management's mouth. Their homes are paid for, and their kids college funds are safe and secure, and their retirements were funded the day they got hired. most of them have second and third homes, and they get to ride in first class whenever they want.
Tired of management left overs being handed down to the ones making this happen. We, the pilots are in the drivers seat and we're in charge. Take it back, take it all friggin back. We're still about 15 years behind in taking it back.
the lost decade has had a domino effect on everything economic related to pilots earnings and retirements.
We still got a pilot shortage. That should mean something to management. That means "management hasn't done enough to restore the profession." If they had done their work, on their side of the table, then we wouldn't have a shortage of pilots, we'd have a gluttony.
Mic drop.
11-28-2019 | 08:06 AM
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Spending money on things that pay for themselves is easy. RJs generate a monetary ROI. New ground equipment saves money by increasing reliability/reducing waste. New livery and uniforms also generate a ROI, although not directly.
Like it or not, a pay rise for pilots isn’t going to yield an ROI to United unless they negotiate other productivity improvements. And that’s the way they see it.
Like it or not, a pay rise for pilots isn’t going to yield an ROI to United unless they negotiate other productivity improvements. And that’s the way they see it.
When the economy/industry takes a turn they will come for the aforementioned pay cuts. History has proven it. This is possibly the best environment in the negotiating cycle. If not now then when?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-avianca-colombia/avianca-to-get-200-million-loan-promised-by-united-kingsland-idUSKBN1WM1W2
On a side note; management decided to issue a second loan to Avianca in spite of the fact that the union is grieving the first loan. Again, I’m not buying the nice guy routine.
Cue the company apologists in 3,2,1.....
11-28-2019 | 08:07 AM
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I honestly don't care how and why management sees what they see. We don't get a key to the executive wash room and we don't get a corner office.
We're pilots...……...We need to think like pilots. At the end of the day our career is what we value it at, and not what management says its worth.
I am tired of low ball expectations coming out of management's mouth. Their homes are paid for, and their kids college funds are safe and secure, and their retirements were funded the day they got hired. most of them have second and third homes, and they get to ride in first class whenever they want.
Tired of management left overs being handed down to the ones making this happen. We, the pilots are in the drivers seat and we're in charge. Take it back, take it all friggin back. We're still about 15 years behind in taking it back.
the lost decade has had a domino effect on everything economic related to pilots earnings and retirements.
We still got a pilot shortage. That should mean something to management. That means "management hasn't done enough to restore the profession." If they had done their work, on their side of the table, then we wouldn't have a shortage of pilots, we'd have a gluttony.
We're pilots...……...We need to think like pilots. At the end of the day our career is what we value it at, and not what management says its worth.
I am tired of low ball expectations coming out of management's mouth. Their homes are paid for, and their kids college funds are safe and secure, and their retirements were funded the day they got hired. most of them have second and third homes, and they get to ride in first class whenever they want.
Tired of management left overs being handed down to the ones making this happen. We, the pilots are in the drivers seat and we're in charge. Take it back, take it all friggin back. We're still about 15 years behind in taking it back.
the lost decade has had a domino effect on everything economic related to pilots earnings and retirements.
We still got a pilot shortage. That should mean something to management. That means "management hasn't done enough to restore the profession." If they had done their work, on their side of the table, then we wouldn't have a shortage of pilots, we'd have a gluttony.
11-28-2019 | 08:16 AM
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My two cents:
Why haven’t we informational picketed yet? Last time we picketed Wall Street, Wacker Dr. and most hubs. You could make a valid argument that Tilton & Simsek couldn’t care less about the perception of labor peace. Not so for Oscar. We could get creative and picket outside Oscar’s various speaking engagements. We do have some leverage with Oscar that we didn’t have in the past. Let’s start asserting maybe things aren’t all Kumbaya at United.
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Why haven’t we informational picketed yet? Last time we picketed Wall Street, Wacker Dr. and most hubs. You could make a valid argument that Tilton & Simsek couldn’t care less about the perception of labor peace. Not so for Oscar. We could get creative and picket outside Oscar’s various speaking engagements. We do have some leverage with Oscar that we didn’t have in the past. Let’s start asserting maybe things aren’t all Kumbaya at United.
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11-28-2019 | 08:24 AM
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Don't care. Public picketing will affect Oscar and friends in a negative fashion, period. Year after amendable date and we're at a stalemate. Time to turn up the heat.
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