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Old 11-28-2019 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by APC225
”Billions in buybacks” was on RJDio’s list. No ROI for the company on that. Just a pure pay raise for execs, some of their compensation based on that. No productivity improvement involved. Yes, “that’s the way they see.” That’s the way they always see it. For us, this for that, a zero sum contract. For them, it’s this, and lots more of this. That’s now how we see it hopefully. We should greater compensation not necessarily offset by anything other than the fact that there is no product without us, the employees, and that product is very good right now. Mountains of cash.
Think about it. If you’re an exec and you can make your stock worth $10k more for each $1B of company cash you throw away, then to make an extra $100k you only need to throw away $10B of cash. They make nothing by giving the pilots a contract, when they can keep us on the old one and let inflation eat away at it. Remember that you and I are tied to our jobs here, but they will just go get a job at another airline and do the same thing there. They have no accountability.
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Old 11-28-2019 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by WhisperJet
Who is the target of the picketing? Will the public or Wall Street really sympathize with a labor group making what United pilots make? Probably not unfortunately.
You want their attention? Picket with signs showing Dr Dao beaten and bleeding and let everyone know that this is how management is effectively treating us.
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Old 11-28-2019 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by O2pilot
You want their attention? Picket with signs showing Dr Dao beaten and bleeding and let everyone know that this is how management is effectively treating us.
If you think you’re being treated badly now, you have zero perspective and are very clearly living in a privileged pilot bubble.
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Old 11-28-2019 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by O2pilot
You want their attention? Picket with signs showing Dr Dao beaten and bleeding and let everyone know that this is how management is effectively treating us.
Seriously WTH????? You are clueless....
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Old 11-28-2019 | 09:28 AM
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Don't care. Public picketing will affect Oscar and friends in a negative fashion, period. Year after amendable date and we're at a stalemate. Time to turn up the heat.
Not exactly at a stalemate, our union is actively in negotiations on a weekly basis. Just chill and let them do their jobs, the post on here are ridiculous....
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Old 11-28-2019 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by WhisperJet
Who is the target of the picketing? Will the public or Wall Street really sympathize with a labor group making what United pilots make? Probably not unfortunately.
The target audience is Wall Street, industry analysts, the UAL Board and Oscar. Our absolute dead last target audience is the general public. To demonstrate labor unrest exists at United. Has absolutely nothing to do with anyone having any sympathy for us, never does. This is standard ops in all pilot contact campaigns. However, today we have additional leverage since we can embarrass Oscar and indicate to the financial community that Oscar and Kirby’s financial plans may have some kinks. It’s all about labor unrest and optics!
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Old 11-28-2019 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Hatesheavys
Not exactly at a stalemate, our union is actively in negotiations on a weekly basis. Just chill and let them do their jobs, the post on here are ridiculous....
Ridiculous, really???

So you're just fine with being a year overdue and looking at not regaining most of the money that will be left on the table due to our history of no-retro pay? Not to mention all of the lost costs associated with work rule and benefit changes that are left behind as well.

Speak for yourself but I'm not ok with it and its a win for management.
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Old 11-28-2019 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Hatesheavys
Not exactly at a stalemate, our union is actively in negotiations on a weekly basis. Just chill and let them do their jobs, the post on here are ridiculous....
Really? How many pilot contract negotiation cycles have you been through? Standard ops in just about about every pilot contract campaign a year past amendable date is ratcheting up of the SPSC committee with unity events to include informational picketing.
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Old 11-28-2019 | 10:21 AM
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Really? How many pilot contract negotiation cycles have you been through? Standard ops in just about about every pilot contract campaign a year past amendable date is ratcheting up of the SPSC committee with unity events to include informational picketing.
I'd venture to say not many or he's probably part of the current MEC or NC.
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Old 11-28-2019 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by O2pilot
Think about it. If you’re an exec and you can make your stock worth $10k more for each $1B of company cash you throw away, then to make an extra $100k you only need to throw away $10B of cash. They make nothing by giving the pilots a contract...
...but they can lose (or not gain) a great deal when the negotiations become public angst about the United brand.
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