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sailingfun 05-22-2022 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3427726)
….. or both at the same time. Prior to retirement sick leave pays 100%, after retirement it is just a sad reminder of the days that you worked for free. I’ll never understand why anyone would fly a trip when they could be getting paid to not work.

Strangely enough some people like to look in the mirror and be happy with what they see. I called in sick when I was sick. Worked when I was well.

ReadOnly7 05-22-2022 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3427888)
Strangely enough some people like to look in the mirror and be happy with what they see. I called in sick when I was sick. Worked when I was well.

It’s contractually negotiated. Do you think management has trouble looking in the mirror when they use the contract in disingenuous ways that aren’t “in the spirit” of the language? I know the answer to that question. Do you?

I don’t actually use sick time unless I’m sick…..but I’m actually legitimately sick often enough to keep the bank in the lower range. Our sick accrual sucks. If you’re sick 3 times in one year…..that wipes it all out.

johnwick 05-22-2022 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 3427684)
anyone over 63 who is not setting fire to their sick bank is either an idiot or sycophantic marvin of the first order. Yo, scott...the old guys call in sick because you leave them no choice. Kirby is just stroking the press for sympathy. I have to believe that he's smarter than that. Had i not bolted early there is no way i'd leave a dime on the table. You know the old saw from bethune about never stealing a buck from a pilot? Well, for a huge chunk of us that wasn't true....mother u got the upper hand in the grand larceny department. By a factor of ten.

Sick leave. It's yours, not theirs. Use it or lose it.

👆👆👆👆 this 👆👆👆👆

Andy 05-22-2022 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3427731)
That’s why one should meter out their sick bank usage the entire span of your career. Helps keep the operation more reliable, while also not leaving one cent on the table.

Not directed specifically at you, just food for thought for everyone.
I always tell my FOs to try to build up a 255 hr SL balance in case something happens to them.
I am currently out on SL due to my doctor changing a prescription a couple of months ago. The FAA requires grounding for the first 90 days on the medication. I had ~320 hrs SL prior to this; I'll return to flying with ~60 hrs. But at least I'll earn 7 hrs/mo until I recoup all of the SL burned on this SL. :rolleyes:
I will also likely go on LTD for a few weeks while the FAA med dept reviews my doctor's paperwork. And yes, I've turned it all over to ALPA Aeromedical.

Before this, I would use SL to make sure my balance stayed in the low 300s.
... just posting this as a precautionary tale for anyone who decides to keep their balance near zero for their career.
And yes, I will still have close to zero SL when I retire.

sailingfun 05-23-2022 01:03 AM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3427898)
It’s contractually negotiated. Do you think management has trouble looking in the mirror when they use the contract in disingenuous ways that aren’t “in the spirit” of the language? I know the answer to that question. Do you?

I don’t actually use sick time unless I’m sick…..but I’m actually legitimately sick often enough to keep the bank in the lower range. Our sick accrual sucks. If you’re sick 3 times in one year…..that wipes it all out.

I did not realize that you have a PTO rather than sick leave program negotiated. That’s a great benefit.

ReadOnly7 05-23-2022 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3428090)
I did not realize that you have a PTO rather than sick leave program negotiated. That’s a great benefit.

no comment

Cruz Clearance 05-23-2022 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by Vdrive (Post 3427168)
Who in their right mind wants to do this job past 65?
if you haven’t saved enough in the past 30-35 yrs, another 2 yrs won’t help you.
Get a hobby, enjoy your last few years on planet earth.

I vote for age 60 rule to come back.

Who? Those who appear to have no outside interests and don't seem to enjoy anything more than going on trips
meeting for beers and the same conversation they just had for 14 hours then perhaps a "massage".
Only realized how many there are since I got on a wide body.

massgflight 05-24-2022 08:24 AM

Vote ALPA wide
 
How about this novel concept: Vote- across all of ALPA. I've been here for a few years and aside from the Pandemic LOA I haven't seen one solicitation for my input.

I just missed the UAL query for what were our desires regarding a new contract in 2018. Where/when was there a pilot pulse taken on age 67? There should be or am I just confused?

ReadOnly7 05-24-2022 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by massgflight (Post 3428869)
How about this novel concept: Vote- across all of ALPA. I've been here for a few years and aside from the Pandemic LOA I haven't seen one solicitation for my input.

I just missed the UAL query for what were our desires regarding a new contract in 2018. Where/when was there a pilot pulse taken on age 67? There should be or am I just confused?

why should it be up to us?

Andy 05-24-2022 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by massgflight (Post 3428869)
How about this novel concept: Vote- across all of ALPA. I've been here for a few years and aside from the Pandemic LOA I haven't seen one solicitation for my input.

I just missed the UAL query for what were our desires regarding a new contract in 2018. Where/when was there a pilot pulse taken on age 67? There should be or am I just confused?

This is one of those topics that you, me, and all pilots everywhere will have no control over. I chased that windmill, Don Quixote style, for the age change to 65.
To quote Clayton Williams, if you're getting raped, you might as well relax and enjoy it.'


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