GoCats67

That would be impossible to do, since any pilot that is displaced can go to anyplace where somebody junior to them is staffed (and not displaced), so if you Displace everyone seniority number 2 and below, nobody can go anywhere??

What they could do is choose a couple of points on the seniority list to start displacing. Displace all Captains and WB FOs below Seniority X , Take all pilots below seniority Y (a number further down the seniority list than X) in 756 FO seats and let all those pilots move to a new assignment . This is cutting with an Axe and would need to be followed with multiple refining displacements. Post 9-11 United started with pretty large displacements, but they were not targeted on a system level, they were targeted at the most over staffed areas. So, doing something like this or what you suggested would be a different approach than previous times we have gone down the path that it appears we are going to head down.

Currently over 20% of the 777/787 Captains are within 18 months of retirement so I would not anticipate any displacements in those seats except for potential BES closings (ORD 777?)

Currently about 6% of the 757 Captains are within 18 months of retirement so, potential displacements could come there. Especially considering that the UA 757s will likely be accelerated to retirement. (SFO/LAX 756 BES shrinking or closing)

Narrowbody CA and Widebody FO seats have about 2-4% of the pilots that are within 18 months of retirement depending on location.

So, the Displacements could be significant in the middle of the seniority list and get really ugly below that.

NFLUALNFL

It's not quite that simple.

Short Bus Drive

Walt F'd me... Just sayin'
Glad I had ALPA and their lawyers.

Sniper66

they should offer all of them
exactly what American did period and let’s see how many accepted
1185 total to retire by Dec/22

catIIIc

You will not see that here. The MEC in the second LoA FAQ stated that the AA plan was “to costly for the company”. I couldn’t believe I read that coming out of a union communication.

pilotgolfer

Sorry to hear that..all my interactions with him were positive.

Sniper66

too costly ?
well, I would like to say to them some savings is better than no savings
Willing to work less but not for less
if I don’t get furloughed....what did they say 7000-8000 furloughs?
Well, it is what it is then

Itsajob

I agree with not working for less, but one thing affecting AA’s willingness to offer the early out is that their attrition numbers over the next few years dwarf ours and the math could work there and not here. They are also retiring entire fleet types (senior planes) where we are not. Also, the 7,000-8,000 overstaffed number that ALPA put out was based on the staffing needs for May. If that is the new normal then 2 of the big 3 could liquidate and the survivor could still have to furlough. For the next few months I’d agree though. A bunch of pilots doing nothing for 50 hours pay will save much more than a bunch of pilots doing the same for 73 hours for reserve guarantee. This misery all happened over a few weeks time. There should be a significant recovery to a survivable level by this fall. If not, then none of this matters and we’ll all be out of work.

ugleeual

^^^THIS^^^

Bat Guano

Absolutely! I'm willing to bid an SRL as the contract stipulates. But this E-SRL crap? Reserve here I come.
Terrific post and ought to be required reading as we move forward into the toilet.