Furloughs and break even points
03-30-2020, 09:48 AM
#71
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Originally Posted by opheims
Since I'm in the target demographic for pretty much any furlough (14 months on) and trying to think proactively...
If a person quits before a furlough action, do they lose their seniority number? If they keep it, I would assume they aren't allowed back in until all furloughs are offered rehire classes, first?
I'd hate to turn down a job offer in the interim just to be out on my behind on Oct 1.
If a person quits before a furlough action, do they lose their seniority number? If they keep it, I would assume they aren't allowed back in until all furloughs are offered rehire classes, first?
I'd hate to turn down a job offer in the interim just to be out on my behind on Oct 1.
However, in the past UAL has been very generous with long-term Leaves of Absences during down cycles. Talk to your flight office and see if you are eligible. If you do this you keep your seniority number. Win-Win.
03-30-2020, 09:50 AM
#72
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Originally Posted by crflyer
You’re asking if you lose your seniority number if you quit?
Luck favors the prepared...just wanted to have the complete picture if/when the time comes.
Thanks for all the replies!
03-30-2020, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by opheims
Since I'm in the target demographic for pretty much any furlough (14 months on) and trying to think proactively...
If a person quits before a furlough action, do they lose their seniority number? If they keep it, I would assume they aren't allowed back in until all furloughs are offered rehire classes, first?
I'd hate to turn down a job offer in the interim just to be out on my behind on Oct 1.
If a person quits before a furlough action, do they lose their seniority number? If they keep it, I would assume they aren't allowed back in until all furloughs are offered rehire classes, first?
I'd hate to turn down a job offer in the interim just to be out on my behind on Oct 1.
03-30-2020, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by opheims
Correct. I'm in the consolidation window, so no COLA / SRL to be had, and finishing consolidation will be tough.
Luck favors the prepared...just wanted to have the complete picture if/when the time comes.
Thanks for all the replies!
Luck favors the prepared...just wanted to have the complete picture if/when the time comes.
Thanks for all the replies!
Originally Posted by Andy
If you're real junior on the seniority list, consider taking a four month ESRL starting in Jun to cover you through the end of Sep. Chances are, you'll be seamlessly furloughed at the beginning of Oct. But this will allow you to find other work to cover you through the furlough. And it gives you a four month headstart on others who believe that this is just a small bump in the road. UAL is probably going to be a much smaller airline on the other side of this for at least a couple of years.
For those of you on the bottom of the seniority list, do not fritter away this temporary reprieve. You can hope for the best but plan for the worst.
For those of you on the bottom of the seniority list, do not fritter away this temporary reprieve. You can hope for the best but plan for the worst.
1) Complete consolidation
2) Look for another job (can be done same time as 1)
3) Take the first multi-month ESRL that you can - that will bring you to/past Oct 1.
Worry about what to do after your ESRL is done. Chances are the furloughs have started and any decision is already made for you.
DO NOT RESIGN. PERIOD.
Hope this helps.
03-30-2020, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS
I like this optimism! I’m an early 2015 hire that feels like I’ve got a 80% chance of hitting the road come October. I also have 1999 hire friends thinking they are going to possibly be on the street as well. It’s nice to see guys junior to me worrying about ending up as an A320 FO when the dust settles.
But to the original point, it’s becoming evident the company and the union aren’t interested in our ( pilots) collective interest. So why should I make it even easier for them to line their pockets while most of us hit the street in the process. Shared sacrifice baby.
03-30-2020, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
What are the rules on flush bids?
can they just open one displacement and tell everyone #1 down to put in a bid. Give a set number they want for each base seat and fleet and whoever is still standing when the music stops gets furloughed?
this would be more damaging to the pilot group but is it allowed?
can they just open one displacement and tell everyone #1 down to put in a bid. Give a set number they want for each base seat and fleet and whoever is still standing when the music stops gets furloughed?
this would be more damaging to the pilot group but is it allowed?
If the company wants to displace, they can just follow the contract. I can’t see how they are going to retrain 1/2 the airline though, because most of us would intentionally bid to a position that we would expect follow on displacements, etc and ride that wave for 6 months to a year with pay.
03-30-2020, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by O2pilot
. .........If the company wants to displace, they can just follow the contract. I can’t see how they are going to retrain 1/2 the airline though, because most of us would intentionally bid to a position that we would expect follow on displacements, etc and ride that wave for 6 months to a year with pay.
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03-30-2020, 12:12 PM
#78
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Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS
I like this optimism! I’m an early 2015 hire that feels like I’ve got a 80% chance of hitting the road come October. I also have 1999 hire friends thinking they are going to possibly be on the street as well. It’s nice to see guys junior to me worrying about ending up as an A320 FO when the dust settles.
Ya know the difference between you (2015 hire) and me (2008 hire)? 7 years, about 50 seniority numbers, and a furlough. Ya know the difference between me (2008 hire) and a 1999 hire? 9 more years, 100 or so more seniority numbers, and 2 furloughs.
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03-30-2020, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by globetruck
Ya know the difference between you (2015 hire) and me (2008 hire)? 7 years, about 50 seniority numbers, and a furlough. Ya know the difference between me (2008 hire) and a 1999 hire? 9 more years, 100 or so more seniority numbers, and 2 furloughs.
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03-30-2020, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
3000 will be gone by oct 1 st and they will start recalling 50 per month next February for the foreseen future
is my guess
whatever the cost of training is they don’t care
they did not care after 9/11 and 2008
history will repeat it self unfortunately
BTW I don’t support pay cuts regardless if I am on the property or not
reduce monthly hours of guarantee YES
Hourly pay rates cut NO
is my guess
whatever the cost of training is they don’t care
they did not care after 9/11 and 2008
history will repeat it self unfortunately
BTW I don’t support pay cuts regardless if I am on the property or not
reduce monthly hours of guarantee YES
Hourly pay rates cut NO
