Poss

Just to finish. I'm open to anything. I seriously doubt something will be produced that is zero cost to the pilot group. I do wish our CEO all the best. He is the poster child for baptism by fire. Accordingly, if the company succeeds organically, then we succeed. Do what is necessary but not a step further.

Re-read your last paragraph and consider that the company is in cash preservation mode. Do you really think there is a way to produce a positive manpower staffing model that won't cost either us or the company money?

Andy

Bingo! That's the way I also interpreted Kenny's statements.
Those that only need 60 days get letters stating they'll be furloughed 1 Oct; there will likely be a whole lot of other letters using 1 Nov (or later) date.

If I were a management xxxx, I'd initially cut as many as I could without negatively impacting operations. I suspect that number's 2300 or less for 1 Oct.
I'd then take a look at how many more I need to cut and start moving excess senior widgets pilots to fleets/seats where I need them so I can cut some more. That may be 1 Nov, 1 Dec, or some other date more than 90 days after WARN letters go out. IIRC, I was furloughed on some date other than the 1st both other times.

While passenger numbers are recovering, I don't think that they're recovering nearly as fast as had been forecast. We really need the whole Covid issue to go away (or at least decrease) in order to keep furloughs from getting real deep.

Sniper66

2350 oct
and another 1000 as training requires, split as they see fit month by month and finished furloughing March 2021 ( total furloughed around 3350 or somewhere around that)

9200 total pilots given or take saved from been on furlough status by March 1st (Including LTDs, instructors and management pilots)
IF COVID 19 does not go away or vaccine by the end of 2020 is not available. Worse case scenario basically

Thats 70% capacity planning for summer 2021

Notification is coming for more than the actual furlough this week.
My guess 4000 pilots will get the notification to comply with the warnings rules and contract
And I hope I am wrong on the above prediction

crflyer

That’s 7,350 furloughs.

RJDio

9200 active pilots by 03/21?

MasterOfPuppets

no....70% of schedule being flown....not 30%.

I think his numbers and timing are pretty damn close to what is going to happen.

MasterOfPuppets

that would make sense to carry 70% thru next summer.

bigfatdaddy

Cutting that deep doesn’t jive with Scooters stated intention of cleaning up and kicking butt on the backside of this thing.......although much has happened since then

MasterOfPuppets

yeah....I still don’t know if fourloughed pilots need Indoc. RQ can be quick....just like it’s quick now

crflyer

I’m well aware of what the 70% is supposed to mean, but 2350 plus 1000 monthly until March is 7350. That’s the part that didn’t make sense.