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Nucflash 06-23-2020 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest (Post 3079905)
Not really. Previously, the downgrade required basically nothing. In fact qualified captains used to be able to be assigned FO trips on reserve not all that long ago on the 737 and A320. This is a step in the right direction.

Comparing anything we do here now against pretty much anything they used to do at your previous employer is not the best viewpoint from which to assure the bar stays held high.

AxlF16 06-24-2020 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest (Post 3079905)
Not really. Previously, the downgrade required basically nothing. In fact qualified captains used to be able to be assigned FO trips on reserve not all that long ago on the 737 and A320. This is a step in the right direction.

Which airline? I've never seen that on a United narrow body. The closest I've seen is a Captain bunky on the 767.

89Pistons 06-24-2020 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest (Post 3079905)
Not really. Previously, the downgrade required basically nothing. In fact qualified captains used to be able to be assigned FO trips on reserve not all that long ago on the 737 and A320. This is a step in the right direction.

That's not true.

Airhoss 06-24-2020 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by 89Pistons (Post 3079995)
That's not true.

I’m guessing friends of Fred would do anything they were told to do.

JoePatroni 06-24-2020 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3079997)
I’m guessing friends of Fred would do anything they were told to do.

You would be correct, that included all of the Chief Pilots.

SEDPA 06-24-2020 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by Nucflash (Post 3079920)
Comparing anything we do here now against pretty much anything they used to do at your previous employer is not the best viewpoint from which to assure the bar stays held high.

We, as a group, will find success much more thorough, complete, and faster when we are in unity ... crap like the above post, akin to the “shut up and color” or “we know best” or “that’s not how we do it here at United” banter we have heard from day one of this merger, doesn’t promote unity. Disgusting ... I guess I have to get the crayons and coloring book out again.

Papa Bear 06-24-2020 06:40 AM

So the new junior UAL CA is 22 yrs and CAL is 15 yrs?

Vernon Demerest 06-24-2020 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by Nucflash (Post 3079920)
Comparing anything we do here now against pretty much anything they used to do at your previous employer is not the best viewpoint from which to assure the bar stays held high.

I understand that and I'm not saying that I agreed with the way in which downgrades were once handled prior to the UPA but the fact that there did not exist an AQP shell in which to build a syllabus for the left to right seat downgrade for a pilot previously qualified in right seat says something here. I read the MEC training committee message and agree with the sentiment that pilots raise their hand and request whatever they need to feel comfortable in the new seat. If that seat is the right seat of the 737 then I'm all for him/her feeling confident in that seat as it is arguably the busiest seat in the airline.

Rotorover 06-24-2020 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 3079822)
I taught a 16 year old kid to fly a long while ago, and next thing you know he's my base chief pilot at my airline...(really)...

I, in no way want to keep this topic going, but I just had to add my ISL experience which is similar. I was a LUAL pilot doing USAFR duty as a T37 IP in 2001 and taught a National Guard guy to fly. He went on to get hired at CAL and is now senior to me.

guppie 06-24-2020 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Rotorover (Post 3080275)
I, in no way want to keep this topic going, but I just had to add my ISL experience which is similar. I was a LUAL pilot doing USAFR duty as a T37 IP in 2001 and taught a National Guard guy to fly. He went on to get hired at CAL and is now senior to me.

That hurts. It reminds me of the cardinal rules of aviation. You know... don't pick your nose in turbulence, divorce your wife but not your seniority number, NEVER pass on an upgrade, and don't be a dick, because you might end up throwing gear for the victim of your dickness someday. My fav check airman, Bob, rode sideways on a 727 as a newhire and frequently flew with cAPT. Bill the johnson cranium. Later, Bob bailed out to a different airline and became an instructor. Bill showed up a few years later as a new hire. Guess who his instructor was?? :) Revenge is a dish best served cold.


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