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Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 3078965)

Exactly. I’m a L-CAL guy and my friends were ****ed with the SLI. They claimed they lost so much seniority. I asked how? They claimed their percentage went down. When they explained it was obvious they were including all the UAL furloughs hired at CAL while waiting on merger integration as being part of the CAL pilot group. When I showed them that only including L-CAL people as was the correct method they ended up the same or slightly better, they weren’t buying it. Could talk until I was blue in the face and they didn’t understand you can’t mix the two. A pilot can’t work for two companies at once and be counted on both lists merging into one. So, yes, the drama comes from their unrealistic understanding of who was on each pre-merger list on the original date.

EWRflyer, you have renewed some faith with your comments. I have flown with many L-CAL guys (EWR 756 for 1.5 yrs) and had great times. And I'm sorry I engaged with the obvious outliers who make such provocative comments. I have many buddies who are L-Cal guys. Again, if you're a doosh, you're a doosh, if you're not, you're not. Doesn't matter what L carrier you came from, whether you were military or GA, whether you were Navy, USAF, Marines, etc. I appreciate your comments.

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Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 3078965)

I remember having the exact same arguments, I was a 777 FO at MAD and the mega junior IRO’s were all using the same way to calculate overall system seniority percentage. They were convinced they were right and I told them to prepare to be disappointed.

I still find it fascinating that as a June 1997 L-UAL hire, the L-CAL proposal slotted me in with L-CAL November 2011 hires.

I never thought about it until I read a post above, I guess I could have been behind some UHires using their formula.

Fun times. Glad it's over for most of us.

Dog

Could you expand on that? CAL did not have 2011 hires. L-UAL furloughed pilots started appearing on CAL list late 2011 and early 2012 though. Not sure how that could have been in the CAL proposal, as far fetched as it may have been.

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I guess I was put in with the 2011 UHires then?

I'm sure someone with the CAL proposal will call me on it if my memory is wrong.

Dog

I believe it was our 2007 hires, I remember as I was an early 06 cal hire and our proposal put me in with 95 l Ual hires. I knew it was a non starter when I saw it.

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Originally Posted by Birddog (Post 3079033)

Their proposal had me slotted in with a pilot that was 13 years old when I was hired at United (never furloughed). Could you imagine going to give a talk at a middle school and thinking one of those kids could end up senior to you on an SLI at your airline?

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Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest (Post 3079069)

It WAS. Those U-hires appeared TWICE on the CAL proposed list. They appeared as CAL pilots (junior to Yost to make CAL look like a bigger pilot group) and AGAIN at the very bottom of the 3,000 United pilots that were stapled. As a friend of mine put it “CAL proposed stapling me behind myself”.

This was based on the mythical 2013 merger date. They also wanted all the post-merger hires as CAL because that’s the side they were flying on. A total cluster****.

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Originally Posted by Deafguppy (Post 3079192)

Who cares anymore?

Don’t worry, this won’t last long. Come about 2 weeks from now conversations here will be dominated by other subjects.