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07-30-2020 | 08:33 AM

#31

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

3900 is a magic number. It is all of the post merger hires down to the number. What They have done is pitted our new generation of pilots against the old generation.

Negotiating in public and begging for concessions by putting the pilot group against one another.

It actually includes about three Legacy guys. But I guess 3900 is a more round number than 3897.

07-30-2020 | 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp

I know this is not what you were referring to, but have any our current WB CAs ever been furloughed? This isn’t a slam. Just curious about the history.

yeah the top of our list 78’/79’ hires were out for 6ish years. But the scabs have always been gainfully employed.....

07-30-2020 | 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

yeah the top of our list 78’/79’ hires were out for 6ish years. But the scabs have always been gainfully employed.....

But, most have never been furloughed, correct?

I am so sorry for you guys regarding this huge number. I was a 2003 furloughee (did not return) so I had a little more than a year to prepare myself for the eventual job loss. I wish you all well.

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07-30-2020 | 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy

most of those hired in the late 80’s early 90’s have a uniform in their closet from a company that went out of business.....different kind of furlough.

07-30-2020 | 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

most of those hired in the late 80’s early 90’s have a uniform in their closet from a company that went out of business.....different kind of furlough.

Quite a few of the guys have mone than one ... two myself before United. Fortunately my tough times were predictable as both of the airlines were hurting when I hired on.

I had hoped that loads would be doing better by now.

07-30-2020 | 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

most of those hired in the late 80’s early 90’s have a uniform in their closet from a company that went out of business.....different kind of furlough.

Good point. Most of the people I know who were hired in that timeframe did not come from a failed airline, but a couple dozen doesn't make for a good sampling.

Best of luck to all of you.

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07-30-2020 | 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

You want to reduce payroll? How about you pay $200,000 a year instead of $400,000 a year to WB CAs. Either way they are sitting at home not flying. If WB flyin is not supposed to come back and our entire 777 fleet is parked then buy those guys out.

they want to leave so let them go. Saving $200000 a year is more than the junior pilots make.

At the same time I’d like to also reiterate how a 50 hour surplus line option might help reduce payroll. I know we’ve debated this option before but if the empty lines, half month COLA and furlough plus stuff doesn’t do the trick for payroll reduction, I would really hope before we see contract concession asks we’d see an expansion of who can get an EO as well as allow anyone to take a 6-12 month 50 hour line. Call me crazy but I’d imagine they could easily get 1500-2000 early outs and another 2000-2500 50 hour surplus takers.

07-30-2020 | 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp

I know this is not what you were referring to, but have any our current WB CAs ever been furloughed? This isn’t a slam. Just curious about the history.

Yes some have.

07-30-2020 | 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

most of those hired in the late 80’s early 90’s have a uniform in their closet from a company that went out of business.....different kind of furlough.

I'd have to see the actual numbers but most I know have not.

JMO

07-30-2020 | 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JetPilotMike

I thought I heard PC say on a call that 10,797 was the 8-Ball of the 2,250. So, another 1,650 lands at 9,147. That's just my guess. That would include a few pre-merger pilots.

this number is correct... 30% +/- a few