Originally Posted by Knotcher (Post 3130354)

Amazing how many do not grasp this and think a $50000 paycut is reasonable to save their job. This is industry is tough...life is tough. Been furloughed twice and never stuck my hands in another pilots pocket.

Originally Posted by pipe (Post 3130341)

the fedex thing was a $h!tshow that is still being argued on a regular basis. It also ended up needing major repairs in the next contract (which cost negotiating capital, or in other words, even more money). And, oh, one last thing. The company didn't implement any of it in the way that the mec thought they would - shocking! How many times will pilots do this to themselves?

Pipe

Originally Posted by 130shadow (Post 3130426)

Yes it a perfect vacation sitting alert in the desert away from my family for 9 months.

Originally Posted by 130shadow (Post 3130139)

Once again after being here for 22 years, am about to kicked in the nuts again by United.

Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3130528)

just to make sure you are doing your math correctly. read I.b.2 the senior and middle group MUST have 4200 pilot each. We will get 655 pilots to take EO2 and that will put me at the bottom of the middle group and you are senior to me. How does being in the middle group affect your pay?

Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 3130541)

The size of the upper group is always 4200. The size of the lower group is 3900 as a starting point. As pilots move out of top group through retirement or EO, then everyone moves up. 4200 is not a hard number for middle group.

Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3130528)

How does being in the middle group affect your pay?

Originally Posted by Knotcher (Post 3130354)

Amazing how many do not grasp this and think a $50000 paycut is reasonable to save their job. This is industry is tough...life is tough. Been furloughed twice and never stuck my hands in another pilots pocket.

Originally Posted by Goobacca (Post 3130319)

Pretty much the definition of a union defines socialist ideals. This is the biggest solidarity movement in the history here at United. I recall the FedEx pilots reducing down to 49 hours MPG to save their fellow pilots. Pretty cool that these options came to light. I would be proud to show UAL management how we are WHOLE as a group.

Originally Posted by El Guapo (Post 3130198)

The lines are going to be built to a stupidly low level as I understand it. Therefore, the super senior will be the ones picking up the open time. Unless you're in that group, you can likely forget about seeing anything in open time other than occasional crap. And that's IF there is any open time. Depending on BES you may either line your pockets or eat sand. The level of open time in my last seat was abysmal. It matters not what your pay rate is if you can only bring home X hours per month.

And correct me if I am wrong, but there will be guys bumped from the left seat to the right who will get to keep their Captains pay rate. They will likely be super senior in BES. They will be the ones slurpoing up the open time, and at Captains pay. And if the company is offering premium pay, they will be making more than the Captain. Nice work if you can get it. Eat sand if you can't.