Everyone will likely slam click, not only the phone but the door.

Todd probably underestimates the negative effect on unity and solidarity down the road. This will be a long term win for management. The upper two thirds won't be there. Heck, if we had done informational picketing when the 9 billion in stock was being bought that may have resulted in some positive unity.

Todd not only has to rebuilt a contract negotiating plan and openness, but he now has to figure out how to rebuild the union. I have heard a few pilots mention they want to object to paying dues for religious reasons and just pay the maintenance fees (agency shop I think its called). As well as one on the jump seat stating he planned on mailing Todd his pin, but cut in half with a saw to reflect "half support." Not making that up.

 

My guess is 300 to 315. That's the window I think. We will see. Hope U R right. But that theoretical 655 number represents about 400 pilots who wanted to stay til 67 or 70 if they could.

 

Negotiations don’t involve the consideration of those with the behavioral issues of a 4 year old.

If someone wants to be angry at work and just plain awful to work with then that’s a choice I suppose. I just don’t see what they’re getting out of it beyond looking for who they can create a tribal divide with to continue reigniting fabricated grievances. Very unfortunate and the idiocracy in the echo chambers of social media and forums has no place in the job.

 

No, but they do rely heavily on your base, and in that regard they rely very heavily on your most vocal and militant among you. Without the leverage they provide, the rest of the pilot group doesn't show up. I can't recall a single successful improved TA in airline history whereby that 10% to 15% core didn't provide the leverage the negotiating body needed to drive results.

Alienating your base is a huge mistake. The result is usually rebellion or apathy. Both of those outcomes are bad i am afraid.

 

yup If this passes I will pick up every hour I can for the duration of the TA...if nothing else..SPITE and because I can...

 

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Yet another “all about me” temper tantrum.....

 

"We have to pass the TA, to see what's in the TA..."

- Nancy Insler

 

Well, that’s sort of just it. Nobody has actually been alienated, but they may feel alienated. So by feeling alienated they created a tantrum with other people that need, for some real reason untold, to also feel victimized. With enough of that they invent grievances, create stories/scenarios based on poor information, and pretend they know intimately the super secret conspiratorial intentions of Scott Kirby/Todd Insler/Whoever. It’s nothing more than emotional lashing out and it’s certainly no base of anything that functions.

Now, there are certainly some good people that have gotten themselves enraged with this TA through all the social media and forum nonsense. Others are just plain self-serving or constantly needing a cover for their true intentions. I’m reminded of one question on a Q&A call of a captain that asked why we are letting the bottom 1/3rd vote because they’d obviously only vote ‘yes’ (which isn’t true). I thought satirically to myself, “Why should we let the top 1/3 vote because some spent decades squandering retirement and making poor financial decisions so they’ll obviously vote ‘no’, right?” Obviously that’s ridiculous, but just as ridiculous as that captain’s reasoning. That kind of “loud and militant” person doesn’t drive good union agenda or make this a better place. It’s just self-serving garbage. I do not find myself on that side of this, but to each their own. I’m just happy it’ll be done tomorrow.

 

their won’t be anything left in OT unless you are in the top 10-20%... so enjoy your partial pay and like it.

 

Sometimes I say I have to pass the gas, to see what’s in it.....And I hope there is nothing in it.