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10-19-2020, 07:04 PM
#112
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Joined APC: May 2014
Position: 787 right
Posts: 504
Originally Posted by Nucflash
He would rather see a furlough in June to prove he was right than have things improve. Guys like him have mentally gone off the rails.....and there are more than a few of them out there. Look out for yourselves at work.
10-19-2020, 07:44 PM
#113
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
Posts: 5,160
Originally Posted by Nucflash
He would rather see a furlough in June to prove he was right than have things improve. Guys like him have mentally gone off the rails.....and there are more than a few of them out there. Look out for yourselves at work.
10-19-2020, 08:32 PM
#115
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Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,067
Originally Posted by BenTover
Are you serious? It goes to who’s actually paying for this agreement. The union used this as a selling point. So yes, it matters.
It is a Pandemic Recovery vs a Furlough Mitigation LOA right?
It is a Pandemic Recovery vs a Furlough Mitigation LOA right?
all this does is buying some time and option value. A chance to actually bounce back if and when it occurs. If it doesn’t happen we will furlough like no tomorrow and the agreement will be off anyway. And all the cost will hit the company then. Is that a win???
10-20-2020, 02:48 AM
#116
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 59
Originally Posted by TFAYD
and how are the pilots paying for this agreement? Keeping more pilots on the list will for sure be more expensive than fewer pilots. Yes, some money is being redistributed from senior to junior pilots but that doesn’t mean that pilots pay for the agreement.
all this does is buying some time and option value. A chance to actually bounce back if and when it occurs. If it doesn’t happen we will furlough like no tomorrow and the agreement will be off anyway. And all the cost will hit the company then. Is that a win???
all this does is buying some time and option value. A chance to actually bounce back if and when it occurs. If it doesn’t happen we will furlough like no tomorrow and the agreement will be off anyway. And all the cost will hit the company then. Is that a win???
You forgot scenario C in your second paragraph.
10-20-2020, 03:43 AM
#117
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Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,193
Originally Posted by Nucflash
What more is there to say?
10-20-2020, 09:05 AM
#118
Orbis Non Sufficit
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 730
Originally Posted by Grumble
So we agree then, you’re a DB. You don’t care about anyone’s situation, if they weren’t willing to pay to fund unneeded jobs, or just demanded we defend what’s left of our contract, they’re greedy. Got it.
“I can no longer pay my bills”
—On what the UPA has been paying you? It is possible for people to have odd financial situations, but otherwise call 1-800-SuzeOrman.
“I shouldn’t have to pay for unneeded jobs”
—They’re pi$$ed off because they can’t pick up as much. As if 45% flying has nothing to do with it.
“I voted to defend what’s left of the contract”
—The UPA is not the TA. The TA is not the UPA. Repeat 100 times.
Again, what more is there to say? Other than there’s a lot of dudes who came here recently who are guilty of nothing other than having terrible timing. The job market has left them out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas. They have now been thrown a lifeline until at least next June.
That’s the important part of this and the one that people like you never mention because you are thinking about one thing.......YOU.
10-20-2020, 09:59 AM
#119
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 37
Originally Posted by Nucflash
It doesn’t take long chatting with someone in person to get a sense of their real motivations. Not only are there many greedy people out there, many shamefully lie about the reasons for their vote.
“I can no longer pay my bills”
—On what the UPA has been paying you? It is possible for people to have odd financial situations, but otherwise call 1-800-SuzeOrman.
“I shouldn’t have to pay for unneeded jobs”
—They’re pi$$ed off because they can’t pick up as much. As if 45% flying has nothing to do with it.
“I voted to defend what’s left of the contract”
—The UPA is not the TA. The TA is not the UPA. Repeat 100 times.
Again, what more is there to say? Other than there’s a lot of dudes who came here recently who are guilty of nothing other than having terrible timing. The job market has left them out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas. They have now been thrown a lifeline until at least next June.
That’s the important part of this and the one that people like you never mention because you are thinking about one thing.......YOU.
“I can no longer pay my bills”
—On what the UPA has been paying you? It is possible for people to have odd financial situations, but otherwise call 1-800-SuzeOrman.
“I shouldn’t have to pay for unneeded jobs”
—They’re pi$$ed off because they can’t pick up as much. As if 45% flying has nothing to do with it.
“I voted to defend what’s left of the contract”
—The UPA is not the TA. The TA is not the UPA. Repeat 100 times.
Again, what more is there to say? Other than there’s a lot of dudes who came here recently who are guilty of nothing other than having terrible timing. The job market has left them out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas. They have now been thrown a lifeline until at least next June.
That’s the important part of this and the one that people like you never mention because you are thinking about one thing.......YOU.
Actually some NO voters are thinking of ALPA unity. This TA/LOA debacle reminds me of the bond distribution after the pension termination. The company threw $550 million at ALPA and said you distribute it. Wow, you should have seen the unity after that one! Maybe previous MECs had the opportunity to minimize furloughs but recognized the can of worms. The MEC should just stay in their lane. If you think the affect of this LOA will be gone in June you are crazy. I am sure aspects of this will be brought up in section 6 negotiations or the next time THE COMPANY wants to furlough. Will we go through this again? Can the company just threaten a furlough so ALPA can remedy a solution? It's a slippery slope.
10-20-2020, 10:17 AM
#120
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Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 345
Originally Posted by Nucflash
It doesn’t take long chatting with someone in person to get a sense of their real motivations. Not only are there many greedy people out there, many shamefully lie about the reasons for their vote.
“I can no longer pay my bills”
—On what the UPA has been paying you? It is possible for people to have odd financial situations, but otherwise call 1-800-SuzeOrman.
“I shouldn’t have to pay for unneeded jobs”
—They’re pi$$ed off because they can’t pick up as much. As if 45% flying has nothing to do with it.
“I voted to defend what’s left of the contract”
—The UPA is not the TA. The TA is not the UPA. Repeat 100 times.
Again, what more is there to say? Other than there’s a lot of dudes who came here recently who are guilty of nothing other than having terrible timing. The job market has left them out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas. They have now been thrown a lifeline until at least next June.
That’s the important part of this and the one that people like you never mention because you are thinking about one thing.......YOU.
“I can no longer pay my bills”
—On what the UPA has been paying you? It is possible for people to have odd financial situations, but otherwise call 1-800-SuzeOrman.
“I shouldn’t have to pay for unneeded jobs”
—They’re pi$$ed off because they can’t pick up as much. As if 45% flying has nothing to do with it.
“I voted to defend what’s left of the contract”
—The UPA is not the TA. The TA is not the UPA. Repeat 100 times.
Again, what more is there to say? Other than there’s a lot of dudes who came here recently who are guilty of nothing other than having terrible timing. The job market has left them out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas. They have now been thrown a lifeline until at least next June.
That’s the important part of this and the one that people like you never mention because you are thinking about one thing.......YOU.
Go easy on him. This was a vote buying machine and they were played. Taking it the way they did, I understand why they are a little "sore". Oh, and the loa did change parts of the UP A for 24 months. We'll be back in June asking for more.
