It's Done
#121
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,064
Actually some NO voters are thinking of ALPA unity. This TA/LOA debacle reminds me of the bond distribution after the pension termination. The company threw $550 million at ALPA and said you distribute it. Wow, you should have seen the unity after that one! Maybe previous MECs had the opportunity to minimize furloughs but recognized the can of worms. The MEC should just stay in their lane. If you think the affect of this LOA will be gone in June you are crazy. I am sure aspects of this will be brought up in section 6 negotiations or the next time THE COMPANY wants to furlough. Will we go through this again? Can the company just threaten a furlough so ALPA can remedy a solution? It's a slippery slope.
but I don’t get any of the “the company is not paying enough for it” arguments.
#122
Who was played? The mentally disturbed conspiracy theorists? Of course they were.
#124
If we furlough in June it will be a long furlough. Yes, that was clear to any rational thinker well before the vote. And what state will the company be in by then if it happens?
#125
Banned
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 345
Depends on the number of furloughs and any changes to the contract while they are furloughed.
#126
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: 787 Captain
Posts: 1,512
Actually some NO voters are thinking of ALPA unity. This TA/LOA debacle reminds me of the bond distribution after the pension termination. The company threw $550 million at ALPA and said you distribute it. Wow, you should have seen the unity after that one! Maybe previous MECs had the opportunity to minimize furloughs but recognized the can of worms. The MEC should just stay in their lane. If you think the affect of this LOA will be gone in June you are crazy. I am sure aspects of this will be brought up in section 6 negotiations or the next time THE COMPANY wants to furlough. Will we go through this again? Can the company just threaten a furlough so ALPA can remedy a solution? It's a slippery slope.
#127
Banned
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 345
What if the company is mildly cash flow positive this spring but realizes that flying won’t fully return until late 2022 or 23? There goes your 2000 junior pilots out the door and the LOA remains intact.
#128
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
Posts: 5,133
Actually some NO voters are thinking of ALPA unity. This TA/LOA debacle reminds me of the bond distribution after the pension termination. The company threw $550 million at ALPA and said you distribute it. Wow, you should have seen the unity after that one! Maybe previous MECs had the opportunity to minimize furloughs but recognized the can of worms. The MEC should just stay in their lane. If you think the affect of this LOA will be gone in June you are crazy. I am sure aspects of this will be brought up in section 6 negotiations or the next time THE COMPANY wants to furlough. Will we go through this again? Can the company just threaten a furlough so ALPA can remedy a solution? It's a slippery slope.
Don't get me started on the raw greed surrounding the bond distribution - it was epic.
#129
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 37
Preferred Method? LOL. I'm not going to touch that one with a loooong pole. My preferred method was to shove it back to the company and tell them "you figure it out". I was actually on a local R&I committee at the time, had zero input to the distribution, but sure caught incoming flak over it.
What caused the disunity? ALPA came up with the method. What ever they came up with, they were to blame. It was a no -win situation. It was like throwing one piece of red meat into a den of four lions.
You cant get unity by dividing.
Stay well!
#130
New Hire
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 6
Preferred Method? LOL. I'm not going to touch that one with a loooong pole. My preferred method was to shove it back to the company and tell them "you figure it out". I was actually on a local R&I committee at the time, had zero input to the distribution, but sure caught incoming flak over it.
What caused the disunity? ALPA came up with the method. What ever they came up with, they were to blame. It was a no -win situation. It was like throwing one piece of red meat into a den of four lions.
You cant get unity by dividing.
Stay well!
What caused the disunity? ALPA came up with the method. What ever they came up with, they were to blame. It was a no -win situation. It was like throwing one piece of red meat into a den of four lions.
You cant get unity by dividing.
Stay well!