I'm not disagreeing with the idea/desire/need to see those on FTFPL take a reduction from 94.5 hours in some form. So want to be on record there. However, playing devil's advocate.

This LOA reduced MPG for the pilot group based on a reduction in corresponding number of days available for work. While it will be a sacrifice, pilots will get the same pay rate but also work fewer days per month and more days off. Very much akin to going from full-time 40 hours/week to part-time 20-32 hours/week. A pilot is still getting compensated based on number of available lineholder or reserve days along with M5D when he/she does work.

Carrying that forward an MEC officer or committee member on FTFPL is being compensated for each day of work per the Policy Manual. If they are working full-time the same number of days, are people advocating for a change to the value of their day while we keep ours? If you are advocating for a commensurate reduction in their pay for the appropriate seniority tier with less days worked and more days off, then I will agree with that concept as long as everyone realizes the effect it will have in the work being accomplished (Safety Committee, System Schedule Committee/PBS, Negotiating, etc.). It's only fair they be treated like the line pilots with less work days to go along with their reduced pay days and more days off away from ALPA work.

 

Those that claim envy or some similar adjective is the motivating factor behind the anti enrichment principles of the FTFPL policy, then they do not understand the purpose and spirit of the policy itself. .

I suggest those people read the Joe Fagone report.

Perhaps taking a look at the average line divisor is the way to go. Or , take a snap shot of 3 pilots senior and 3 pilots junior to their position in the Base, Equipment, and Status that they hold. Their triploss should be restricted to the average of those 6 pilots in their respective BES. That is more than fair and perfectly adequate.

union triploss should not be a "wind fall". Its just a "break even" as to what you would make on the line. Then ALPA kicks in the 30% above that to cover their benefits, etc. So, 94.5 hours costs us more like 125 hours a month per pilot. In the end, we do pay both the triploss and the accompanying over ride.

 

Perhaps they could have implemented their pay cut to coincide with the line pilots pay cuts and to take effect immediately? That seems like they could have written a note, resolution, or LOA, or an addendum to the current LOA to do just that.

It smacks of arrogance and wreaks of greed. That's just the perceptions. The reality is they need to go and retroactively fix this. I am not cool with anything that addresses it in the future. It should be hinged to the date of enactment of the LOA.

 

So on one of his videos during the TA explanation he specifically addressed this issue. Insler stated that he and the rest of the MEC would align their pay with their seniority group. Something to remember though is that they are all volunteers. Part of this LOA is that you still get paid for each day worked. So the question for the members is; do you want them to work less?

 

To those who weren't on the UAL side during our bankruptcy, this isn't really about the Job Todd is doing. It's tough no matter who would be in office.

What this is about is the people who want back in power. WM, JB, and GK were absolute train wrecks when they were in charge. We really don't want that again. Yes, that WM, the one who got all friendly with Glenn in bankruptcy.

If we are headed there again, which is very possible, we do not want them anywhere near any kind of leadership.

 

I couldn’t agree more!!! Those you mentioned are not concerned about our pilots. They are concerned about their narcissism!!!

 

Most important post you can read on this site.

 

Yes, they did say that they'd be taking pay cuts. Well before this idiocy of a change.org petition from a former UAL MEC vice chair.
To begin with, Change.org is NOT the way that union business is conducted.
But more importantly, this issue has already been addressed, just like the lie that the MC will get lifetime PS business class travel. That was addressed well before these power-crazy lunatics started spreading the lie that the MC has lifetime PS passes. In fact, they even had a letter from an ALPA lawyer on the subject stating that the MC does not have lifetime PS passes. But the truth doesn't matter to this group; it's all about trying to regain power.

 

Thank you. Hopefully some of those easily influenced by these charlatans will do a couple of minutes of research on their long and sullied history with the union.

I wouldn't trust them to run a lemonaid stand, much less this airline's pilot union.

 

Sometimes doing NOTHING is preferable to doing something rash and stupid.