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Old 11-01-2020 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
Company removes FSB for 6+ months for no cost to us, then people complain when it comes back...

If we truly hate FSB that much, then we can negotiate it during our next contract. What would you be willing to give up to remove FSB? Me personally, I wouldn’t trade anything for it.
Perhaps you weren't here when we gave it away.

1. Any FSB used to pay 4.0 on top of your Reserve guarantee.
2. We gave that way for FREE and with zero language preventing its abuse. Some pointed that out, way back then. "Oh, they won't do that" we were told by the Union. Well, guess what, they did and will continue to do so. And when things go south as they are now they will likely freelance to the extreme.
3. Some now complain when they abuse it, as they should.
4. Good luck fixing it in the future. Work rules once lost, are usually gone forever. And when Marvins run the union, it's going to be even tougher.
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Old 11-01-2020 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmako
Perhaps you weren't here when we gave it away.

1. Any FSB used to pay 4.0 on top of your Reserve guarantee.
2. We gave that way for FREE and with zero language preventing its abuse. Some pointed that out, way back then. "Oh, they won't do that" we were told by the Union. Well, guess what, they did and will continue to do so. And when things go south as they are now they will likely freelance to the extreme.
3. Some now complain when they abuse it, as they should.
4. Good luck fixing it in the future. Work rules once lost, are usually gone forever. And when Marvins run the union, it's going to be even tougher.
Hmm, I thought we received 4.0 hrs of credit per unused FSB? Don’t believe we were paid 4.0 hours above the RSV guarantee.
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Old 11-01-2020 | 05:32 PM
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Contract before that. Long before the BS "Unused" language showed up. Because they cost the company they were seldom assigned. Once they were freebies, they handed them out like chicklets.

My fave, they assign you a Short Call. Then five or six hours later they call and CHANGE you to FSB.
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Old 11-01-2020 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmako
Contract before that. Long before the BS "Unused" language showed up. Because they cost the company they were seldom assigned. Once they were freebies, they handed them out like chicklets.

My fave, they assign you a Short Call. Then five or six hours later they call and CHANGE you to FSB.
Thats my favorite also...
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Old 11-01-2020 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmako
Contract before that. Long before the BS "Unused" language showed up. Because they cost the company they were seldom assigned. Once they were freebies, they handed them out like chicklets.

My fave, they assign you a Short Call. Then five or six hours later they call and CHANGE you to FSB.
4 hours on top of guarantee must have been before my time started prior to C2000. I do ramember the 90 hour FSB lines. That language still exists in the contract, I think. Wish they'd use them again but they have zero incentive to do it these days. The local guys would eat that up.
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Old 11-01-2020 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
Standard FSB or still using the pandemic modified rules?
Still the modified. If you want to sit off property, say in the parking lot, they’ll push it to 1+30 from notification to departure. Just tell the scheduler when they call to make the assignment. If they give you grief, politely ask to be transferred to a supervisor/FODM.
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Old 11-01-2020 | 08:45 PM
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Still the modified. If you want to sit off property, say in the parking lot, they’ll push it to 1+30 from notification to departure. Just tell the scheduler when they call to make the assignment. If they give you grief, politely ask to be transferred to a supervisor/FODM.
thx... I’m 15 minutes front door to KCM.
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Old 11-02-2020 | 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
Standard FSB or still using the pandemic modified rules?

What are these modified rules? (Or where can I find them?)
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Old 11-02-2020 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by iwannafly
What are these modified rules? (Or where can I find them?)
Ever go on the MEC website or read emails? Sorry, you are like many, trust me.

This policy is still in effect. Also, if you are seeing over scheduling of SC or FSB (relative to the bump up in flying for the month) please PDR as specified below.

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April 3, 2020
Update on Short Call / Field Standby (SC/FSB) Usage
The following report is from the System Schedule Committee's Crew Desk Subcommittee
In the wake of the current schedule reductions, the SSC continues to highlight to the Company that Short Call / Field Standby's (SC/FSBs) are being overbuilt. While we recognize that the crew desk is facing numerous operational challenges during the current crisis, the SSC has made it clear that the number of SC/FSBs being built needs to be reduced to ensure they're in line with the current flying and staffing levels. In addition, we've discussed the obvious health concerns associated with requiring pilots to transit security and sit a FSB assignment in airports and flight planning areas.
The SSC has now been informed by the Company that they are reanalyzing their SC/FSB usage, considering the new flying levels, to determine the appropriate reserve assignment needs. Based on this commitment, the SSC expects to quickly see an overall reduction in the number of SC/FSBs built to be more in line with current operations. We will continue to monitor reserve assignment construction and utilization levels and provide feedback to the Company.
The Company has also informed the SSC that in an attempt to help pilots mitigate their virus exposure from sitting at the airport, they've agreed to allow anyone on FSB more flexibility in the time it takes to get to the gate for a flight assignment. If you choose to complete your FSB obligation at a location near the airport, the Company will allow an additional 30 minutes to arrive at the gate for a DH or to complete flight planning duties. While this interim policy is a step in the right direction, the SSC will continue to advocate that all FSB assignments be suspended for the duration of this crisis.
If you continue to see an unusually high number of SCs or FSBs in a category, please submit a PDR at System Schedule > Crew Desk so we can investigate.
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Old 11-02-2020 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG
Ever go on the MEC website or read emails? Sorry, you are like many, trust me.

This policy is still in effect. Also, if you are seeing over scheduling of SC or FSB (relative to the bump up in flying for the month) please PDR as specified below.

Lee

April 3, 2020
Update on Short Call / Field Standby (SC/FSB) Usage
The following report is from the System Schedule Committee's Crew Desk Subcommittee
In the wake of the current schedule reductions, the SSC continues to highlight to the Company that Short Call / Field Standby's (SC/FSBs) are being overbuilt. While we recognize that the crew desk is facing numerous operational challenges during the current crisis, the SSC has made it clear that the number of SC/FSBs being built needs to be reduced to ensure they're in line with the current flying and staffing levels. In addition, we've discussed the obvious health concerns associated with requiring pilots to transit security and sit a FSB assignment in airports and flight planning areas.
The SSC has now been informed by the Company that they are reanalyzing their SC/FSB usage, considering the new flying levels, to determine the appropriate reserve assignment needs. Based on this commitment, the SSC expects to quickly see an overall reduction in the number of SC/FSBs built to be more in line with current operations. We will continue to monitor reserve assignment construction and utilization levels and provide feedback to the Company.
The Company has also informed the SSC that in an attempt to help pilots mitigate their virus exposure from sitting at the airport, they've agreed to allow anyone on FSB more flexibility in the time it takes to get to the gate for a flight assignment. If you choose to complete your FSB obligation at a location near the airport, the Company will allow an additional 30 minutes to arrive at the gate for a DH or to complete flight planning duties. While this interim policy is a step in the right direction, the SSC will continue to advocate that all FSB assignments be suspended for the duration of this crisis.
If you continue to see an unusually high number of SCs or FSBs in a category, please submit a PDR at System Schedule > Crew Desk so we can investigate.
Thanks.
And yes I do, however April was back when I was line holding and not working (SRL) so that update flew in and out of my periphery. I’ll go reread it now that it may apply more often.
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