Congratulations Delta
11-27-2020, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Knotcher
My precise heartache with this deal....the guys who we threw a lifeline to are feasting on Filet Mignon and Cristal, and the rest of us are paying for it.
I am one of those guys and I am not feasting as you suggested.
11-27-2020, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
I was aware of that. I just didn't think those were the "lifeline guys" At Delta, we considered the life line guys the ones that were at real risk of furlough. Guess you guys have a different definition. So, what % start the month with 35 hours?
I am one of those guys and I am not feasting as you suggested.
11-27-2020, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
I was aware of that. I just didn't think those were the "lifeline guys" At Delta, we considered the life line guys the ones that were at real risk of furlough. Guess you guys have a different definition. So, what % start the month with 35 hours?
One of the issues no voters point to with the UAL contract is that it sought to address issues beyond just limiting furloughs- like preventing downgrades/displacements- which resulted in certain pockets of our ranks benefiting from this contract out of seniority order. Yes voters will point out that it is always possible to do better than others out of seniority order, so they don’t consider it a concern.
Our agreement passed with less than 60% in favor, so you’ll find a lot of disparate opinion on whether it was the right call.
11-27-2020, 01:26 PM
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To the OP. What are you giving congratulations for? All of these agreements are like telling a cancer patient “congratulations you only have stage 3 cancer, but be glad your not dead yet”. Not something to be paraded around. Thousands of pilots now making 50% or less of previous wages. All in the name of “equality and fairness”. Congratulations is the wrong word I think.
11-27-2020, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
To the OP. What are you giving congratulations for? All of these agreements are like telling a cancer patient “congratulations you only have stage 3 cancer, but be glad your not dead yet”. Not something to be paraded around. Thousands of pilots now making 50% or less of previous wages. All in the name of “equality and fairness”. Congratulations is the wrong word I think.
Congratulations to the hard working ALPA members and pilot group that saved so so many careers. That provided food and shelter for hard working individuals in the worst job market Imaginable. Congratulations all.
11-27-2020, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR
Congratulations is the perfect word. Just ask any AA brothers and sisters on the street. And hundreds more on Tuesday.
Congratulations to the hard working ALPA members and pilot group that saved so so many careers. That provided food and shelter for hard working individuals in the worst job market Imaginable. Congratulations all.
Congratulations to the hard working ALPA members and pilot group that saved so so many careers. That provided food and shelter for hard working individuals in the worst job market Imaginable. Congratulations all.
11-27-2020, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
Roughly 1/3. The company had sent out over 2800 furlough notices, but had threatened nearly 4,000, and on at least one occasion, hinted at nearly 50%; so how big you consider the “lifeline group” to be depends on who you believe.
One of the issues no voters point to with the UAL contract is that it sought to address issues beyond just limiting furloughs- like preventing downgrades/displacements- which resulted in certain pockets of our ranks benefiting from this contract out of seniority order. Yes voters will point out that it is always possible to do better than others out of seniority order, so they don’t consider it a concern.
Our agreement passed with less than 60% in favor, so you’ll find a lot of disparate opinion on whether it was the right call.
One of the issues no voters point to with the UAL contract is that it sought to address issues beyond just limiting furloughs- like preventing downgrades/displacements- which resulted in certain pockets of our ranks benefiting from this contract out of seniority order. Yes voters will point out that it is always possible to do better than others out of seniority order, so they don’t consider it a concern.
Our agreement passed with less than 60% in favor, so you’ll find a lot of disparate opinion on whether it was the right call.
Sorry, still not understanding the "life line eating caviar " when they are mostly getting 35 hours(unless I am misunderstanding)
Deuces..as an outsider I'll prolly never understand UAL in light of I cant understand some of the folks at my own airline. Such us life.
11-27-2020, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR
Congratulations is the perfect word. Just ask any AA brothers and sisters on the street. And hundreds more on Tuesday.
Congratulations to the hard working ALPA members and pilot group that saved so so many careers. That provided food and shelter for hard working individuals in the worst job market Imaginable. Congratulations all.
Congratulations to the hard working ALPA members and pilot group that saved so so many careers. That provided food and shelter for hard working individuals in the worst job market Imaginable. Congratulations all.
Its better than zero but its not something to parade around about.
11-27-2020, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Congratulations. You use to make 100k and I now cut your pay to 50k. But hey its better than zero so eat it. Only in aviation is that a “congratulations”. What an apathetic group we pilots can be at times. So sad some see this as a congratulations event.
Its better than zero but its not something to parade around about.
Its better than zero but its not something to parade around about.
11-27-2020, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Huell
When I donate to charity or do charity work I try not to judge ... what they do with it is between them and God.
Speaking of charity, if we do end up with furloughed pilots in June, we should vote again on the furlough fund. A lot has changed since we voted on the furlough fund.
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