Thats fantastic....well played

 

Funny how in my 30 years of flying I can’t remember a contract comparison being produced AFTER the agreement was ratified and implemented. The “traffic received by the Union” is a quaint statement for the fact that a lot of pilots are ****ed Lee. Your broad insult of the pilot group regarding the section 3 comment doesn’t apply because this LOA has already passed. In fact, how can we run to section 3 when there are multiple tiers, tiers within tiers, pay protections, do overs and seniority abrogation. What a tangled web we weave when the votes must be received.

Why would the MEC care how we currently feel about our LOA? Either it works or it doesn’t. We won’t know for several months or a year out. My guess is they are worried about the LEC elections. Angry pilots don’t bode well for those running in support of this LOA. Heck, the spin machine needs to work overtime when candidates start calling the seniority system a Ponzi scheme and issuing a call to arms because the system is broken.

 

My friend. It’s apparent no one can talk to you and have a reasonable discussion in this venue. Not worth my time to try and respond anymore. All the best to you and yours and if you want to re-engage after things start to recover and where we stand with the LOA, please do so in a new thread.

Hope you have a great Holiday Season.

 

Reasonable discussion? Simple question. Why the need to promote this LOA after the fact? Contract comparisons always proceed the vote. What are we voting on? A first for me in 30 years. You agree with the LOA and the actions post ratification. That’s great. Be safe.

 

If it was such a great deal, they wouldn't need to sell it a second time. This is all about Todd's grip on power and the elections.

 

I don't think it was a sell job. I did appreciate finding out what was passed on the Delta side. Interesting information and a different way to doing business.

I don't call being informed, a sell job--Mako not addressed to you but to Chikun.

 

Dave,

Wadr, informed about what? What good does it do us after the fact? Are we going to use this information to amend the current LOA or do we plan to negotiate a similar LOA in the future? No.

Never have we had a comparison after the fact because in reality, it provides zero intrinsic value to pilot group. Who does it benefit?

 

Me.
I found it informative. More knowledge and thought = better decisions in the future than I made in the past.

 

Thanks. Exactly what I was going for. Informed is much better than ignorant, and one is doomed to repeat mistakes if you are not informed.

This pandemic is not over, in fact, we don't know where or how it might turn. To not inform yourself how others are playing this is being an ostrich.

Comparisons after the fact, we do that all the time. Every time another airline gets a contract, we compare all sorts of metrics.

We use this information to see if maybe we can do better in another situation. To say otherwise, is not prudent.

 

Comparisons after the fact, we do that all the time? C’mon Dave. Tell me the times the MEC puts out a contract comparison after another carrier gets an agreement?