Congratulations Delta
11-27-2020 | 05:12 PM
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One of the issues no voters point to with the UAL contract is that it sought to address issues beyond just limiting furloughs- like preventing downgrades/displacements- which resulted in certain pockets of our ranks benefiting from this contract out of seniority order. Yes voters will point out that it is always possible to do better than others out of seniority order, so they don’t consider it a concern.
11-27-2020 | 05:30 PM
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Congratulations. You use to make 100k and I now cut your pay to 50k. But hey its better than zero so eat it. Only in aviation is that a “congratulations”. What an apathetic group we pilots can be at times. So sad some see this as a congratulations event.
Its better than zero but its not something to parade around about.
Its better than zero but its not something to parade around about.
11-27-2020 | 06:58 PM
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Some have short memories....in 2001, there was arguably less disruption to the industry (as far as load factors), yet all the majors went quickly to furlough. Only consideration was whether to cover COBRA payments for those who couldn't get insurance otherwise. Literally by November 2001, there were 1000's of pilots on the street, no warn notices, no boosted unemployment, no offers of LOA's. Main difference then was the price of oil was climbing fast and the industry was way over capacity. So in this context, I'd say ALPA negotiating a furlough mitigation plan that at least 50% (75% at Delta) of the pilots could agree on is somewhat of a feat, so yes congratulations.
11-28-2020 | 11:31 AM
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And you are looking at what to you appears to be greener grass without realizing UAL and DAL are not the same, have different management with different goals walking into negotiations, and above all different CBAs.
Lee
11-28-2020 | 01:33 PM
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It’s bad enough that this UAL MEC product was admittedly engineered not for its original intent, but to be a memrat vote generating machine to guarantee passage. Further made worse by the fact that it couldn’t stand on its own merits but had to be sold with promises and fear. Now the cherry on top is an LOA comparison after the agreement has already been implemented. Only reason Todd would need to do that is an attempt to cement his legacy and influence the LEC elections.
I gotta ask Lee, how heavy are those pails water you’re carrying?
11-28-2020 | 03:05 PM
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I made an observation regarding the dynamics of the airline industry during 2001-03 vs the present landscape. Yet you’re back trying to quell the angst of buyer’s remorse regarding the current UAL vs DAL LOAs.
It’s bad enough that this UAL MEC product was admittedly engineered not for its original intent, but to be a memrat vote generating machine to guarantee passage. Further made worse by the fact that it couldn’t stand on its own merits but had to be sold with promises and fear. Now the cherry on top is an LOA comparison after the agreement has already been implemented. Only reason Todd would need to do that is an attempt to cement his legacy and influence the LEC elections.
I gotta ask Lee, how heavy are those pails water you’re carrying?
It’s bad enough that this UAL MEC product was admittedly engineered not for its original intent, but to be a memrat vote generating machine to guarantee passage. Further made worse by the fact that it couldn’t stand on its own merits but had to be sold with promises and fear. Now the cherry on top is an LOA comparison after the agreement has already been implemented. Only reason Todd would need to do that is an attempt to cement his legacy and influence the LEC elections.
I gotta ask Lee, how heavy are those pails water you’re carrying?
Lee isn’t carrying water because it doesn’t need to be carried......why? Because it’s over.
11-28-2020 | 03:13 PM
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Oh I was done until the recent MEC message spinning this LOA. It seems Todd and the boys aren’t done yet either.
11-28-2020 | 04:09 PM
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11-28-2020 | 06:16 PM
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I’m well into the bottom 1/3 and had a furlough notice in hand. I of course would benefit from the rest of the pilot group picking up the tab on my health insurance. But you are correct, I also voted no to the LOA even though I have benefited immensely from it. Out of principle, I could not vote yes.
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