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04-11-2021, 11:06 AM
#481
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Originally Posted by Furloughedboi
All the people who are advocating for this type of discrimination, claiming that minorities don’t have enough role models to inspire them.
I’m a white guy. I had not a single person in my family in aviation. I always saw airplanes and thought, “I want to be a pilot one day.” Never met an airline pilot until the day I went to college for flight training. Imagine that, she was a woman. Literally didn’t matter to anyone. What mattered is she was smart, intelligent, and a great teacher.
My parents never pushed me to fly; in fact they didn’t even know how to help me get a license, I had to figure it out on my own with Google. I had to work 2-3 jobs to pay for my flight training. I did it on my own and worked hard. Scholarships would have been nice, but the reality is it’s much harder for an average white male to win any of those.
Wake up and expect people to take responsibility for their actions and stop trying to be a savior, for real. I’ve literally never met someone who said, “oh, I can’t be a pilot. I’m black and I don’t think black people can be pilots.”
My dad was in sheet metal construction, my mom was a 2nd grade teacher. We didn’t have a lot of money. They pushed me to do well in school cuz they wanted us to have a better financial life than they did
Also this idea that you can’t have role modes of a different race, what the heck? I have many black, Asian, women etc, role models. Since when did ethnicity determine a person’s ability to be a role model? Give me a break
I’m a white guy. I had not a single person in my family in aviation. I always saw airplanes and thought, “I want to be a pilot one day.” Never met an airline pilot until the day I went to college for flight training. Imagine that, she was a woman. Literally didn’t matter to anyone. What mattered is she was smart, intelligent, and a great teacher.
My parents never pushed me to fly; in fact they didn’t even know how to help me get a license, I had to figure it out on my own with Google. I had to work 2-3 jobs to pay for my flight training. I did it on my own and worked hard. Scholarships would have been nice, but the reality is it’s much harder for an average white male to win any of those.
Wake up and expect people to take responsibility for their actions and stop trying to be a savior, for real. I’ve literally never met someone who said, “oh, I can’t be a pilot. I’m black and I don’t think black people can be pilots.”
My dad was in sheet metal construction, my mom was a 2nd grade teacher. We didn’t have a lot of money. They pushed me to do well in school cuz they wanted us to have a better financial life than they did
Also this idea that you can’t have role modes of a different race, what the heck? I have many black, Asian, women etc, role models. Since when did ethnicity determine a person’s ability to be a role model? Give me a break
04-11-2021, 11:09 AM
#482
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Originally Posted by tyler durden
it’s a narrow net, ok! Narrow! Bunch of Pasty old BOOMERs showcasing their white privilege.
-sarcasm off-
Young Eagles is an outstanding program. I strongly recommend volunteering if you can. Very rewarding to see the effect on the kids. Same with aviation charter schools, they’re always looking for guest speakers and role models.
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Young Eagles is an outstanding program. I strongly recommend volunteering if you can. Very rewarding to see the effect on the kids. Same with aviation charter schools, they’re always looking for guest speakers and role models.
04-11-2021, 11:09 AM
#483
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This profession can be absolutely brutal and the only thing that sustains those that finally make it is the passion they brought to their pursuit from the start. If that fire is not there to begin with, this career is probably not for them and trying to convince them otherwise does no one any favors. The path to the majors is littered with the disillusioned souls who spent a lot of time and money only to find out it wasn’t what the brochures said.
Kids have more access to information on their cell phone then we did with weeks of library research and Clinging to a fence at the local airport. To suggest that females and minorities don’t have the wherewithal or interest is an insult to them. The information and role models are a keystroke away. Financing via G.I. Bill, or student loans, is more accessible than ever. Who knew the government would take over student loans and then come up with a plan to forgive the first $50,000.
We are going to need every pilot we can get in the coming years (until we get automated out of the flight deck). I am all for providing more access and financing opportunities, just with the caveat that the candidate must show interest first and that every effort be made to ensure standards of performance and experience are retained.
Kids have more access to information on their cell phone then we did with weeks of library research and Clinging to a fence at the local airport. To suggest that females and minorities don’t have the wherewithal or interest is an insult to them. The information and role models are a keystroke away. Financing via G.I. Bill, or student loans, is more accessible than ever. Who knew the government would take over student loans and then come up with a plan to forgive the first $50,000.
We are going to need every pilot we can get in the coming years (until we get automated out of the flight deck). I am all for providing more access and financing opportunities, just with the caveat that the candidate must show interest first and that every effort be made to ensure standards of performance and experience are retained.
04-11-2021, 11:19 AM
#484
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Originally Posted by WhistlePig
That’s great. You worked 2-3 jobs to pay for training. I applaud your effort. You know how fortunate you are that you were able to keep the proceeds of your work for flight training instead of ensuring your family had a roof over their head and food on the table? You’ve probably never thought of that. Nothing United is doing in any way diminishes your personal narrative or your accomplishment which itself is exemplary. Nothing.
What I’m trying to say, my whiteness had nothing to do with it.
If you’re somehow saying that because someone is BIPOC then they must be poor, nice job. Really helps a community out when people continually assume they’re poor or victims, incapable of providing for themselves.
Also I guess all those women out there are really struggling as well.
I would be all hands on deck for initiatives for POOR communities. Not blanket racist or ethnic policies
04-11-2021, 11:35 AM
#485
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7wEYTa2ACU
Despite withering competition, appointed to attend the Air Force academy, among the finest, most prestigious academic institutions in the nation, upon graduation, selected for pilot training, then, in a somewhat subjective process, is awarded the mighty F-22!!...the single most lethal fighter in the world. And, with only 180 airframes, the most difficult to get out of training. Promoted to major, MBA, lauded with countless awards and accolades for performance.
https://www.afterburner.com/daniel-fuzz-walker/
Awesome, right?!! By any definition, a career most of us could only dream of. His extremely public (60 Minutes) appreciation for the amazing opportunity as he heads out the door on his way to United? Nope...Harvard Law school!
wait for it...
The same Air Force that granted him every wish, led by a black four-star general (fighter pilot), is ...well,..RACIST.
Can’t make this stuff up.
Despite withering competition, appointed to attend the Air Force academy, among the finest, most prestigious academic institutions in the nation, upon graduation, selected for pilot training, then, in a somewhat subjective process, is awarded the mighty F-22!!...the single most lethal fighter in the world. And, with only 180 airframes, the most difficult to get out of training. Promoted to major, MBA, lauded with countless awards and accolades for performance.
https://www.afterburner.com/daniel-fuzz-walker/
Awesome, right?!! By any definition, a career most of us could only dream of. His extremely public (60 Minutes) appreciation for the amazing opportunity as he heads out the door on his way to United? Nope...Harvard Law school!
wait for it...
The same Air Force that granted him every wish, led by a black four-star general (fighter pilot), is ...well,..RACIST.
Can’t make this stuff up.
Last edited by tyler durden; 04-11-2021 at 11:58 AM.
04-11-2021, 12:33 PM
#486
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Originally Posted by Furloughedboi
Scholarships would have been nice, but the reality is it’s much harder for an average white male to win any of those.
filler
04-11-2021, 02:34 PM
#487
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
Yet here you are responding, but with nothing of substance to support your assertion that one can only have a role model who is the same skin color.
If I said “I would only look up to a white person because I’m white,” and that I wouldn’t consider to be role models the Tuskegee airmen, Michael Jordan, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Tiger Woods (formerly, and in limited capacity now due to some of his personal issues, but one of my childhood role models nonetheless), and many others I’ve looked up to in my life, because “they didn’t look like me,” you would (rightfully) call me a racist, because I would be judging someone and limiting their influence on me solely because of their skin color. When I call you on advocating for the same, you no longer want to discuss it. Hmmm.
You want to express/impose your beliefs that people can only look up to those who are of the same race. I grew up using MLK’s “judge people by their character, not the color of their skin” idea as a moral compass. Why are you advocating for judging, dividing and separating, and treating people differently based on their skin color? Isn’t that going back many decades with race relations? I guess that’s 2021 “progress” though.
If I said “I would only look up to a white person because I’m white,” and that I wouldn’t consider to be role models the Tuskegee airmen, Michael Jordan, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Tiger Woods (formerly, and in limited capacity now due to some of his personal issues, but one of my childhood role models nonetheless), and many others I’ve looked up to in my life, because “they didn’t look like me,” you would (rightfully) call me a racist, because I would be judging someone and limiting their influence on me solely because of their skin color. When I call you on advocating for the same, you no longer want to discuss it. Hmmm.
You want to express/impose your beliefs that people can only look up to those who are of the same race. I grew up using MLK’s “judge people by their character, not the color of their skin” idea as a moral compass. Why are you advocating for judging, dividing and separating, and treating people differently based on their skin color? Isn’t that going back many decades with race relations? I guess that’s 2021 “progress” though.
04-11-2021, 03:11 PM
#488
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Originally Posted by OOfff
again, you’ve spoiled the ability to have an actual conversation about this. There’s really no reason to continue typing all that
04-11-2021, 03:29 PM
#489
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Originally Posted by OOfff
again, you’ve spoiled the ability to have an actual conversation about this. There’s really no reason to continue typing all that
04-11-2021, 03:59 PM
#490
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Originally Posted by OOfff
again, you’ve spoiled the ability to have an actual conversation about this. There’s really no reason to continue typing all that
You may want to hire a professional anti-racist to come over to your house and check your privilege for you. Maybe HR will provide one for you if you ask nicely
Last edited by AAL763; 04-11-2021 at 04:22 PM.
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