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Old 04-11-2021 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
https://www.eaa.org/eaa/youth/free-ye-flights

Fortunately, being a rich white male with a pilot dad isn’t a pre-req. for exposure to actually get a flight. I didn’t know about that program as a kid (wish I did, if it even existed back then).
That’s one example of a limited program that casts a very narrow net. I am glad it exists however.
Old 04-11-2021 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
Your living in denial or you've only flown for the government or a union airline.

I doubt its as clumsy as a BJ for a SAT check ride.
Corporate absolutely is, what's in it for me? If I hire you you'll either get pregnant or already have scheduling problems with kids.

"I just got off the phone with Flight Safety it's 20k to get you typed/checked out for insurance. What do you think about that? I can book us a hotel room. Do you think it would be a good idea?"

When she says no, I don't think that will be a good idea, obviously the job falls though. Then typically a white upper middle class pilot is hired who then complains women get an extra box to check at the majors and it isn't fair.

Bill Clinton and Donald Trump have been banging women in their 30's for 40 years. Do you really think other rich aircraft owners are different?

If it hasn't happened to women you know then they are not attractive, have been in government, or stayed at a flight school until a regional hires them. In cooperate it absolutely happens when you send out job applications and are pursuing a step in your career, like turbine time, turbine pic, jet types etc.
still an unfair advantage. I’d have totally banged an unattractive wealthy woman to further my career.

#kiddingbutnotreally
Old 04-11-2021 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by WhistlePig
That’s one example of a limited program that casts a very narrow net. I am glad it exists however.
Over 2 million rides given (all donated by volunteers) and it’s all over the country, with no real barriers to entry. How is that limited and a very narrow net? It’s one part of many organizations that do outreach and give exposure, and in this case it is to literally anybody who wants it, at no cost to the kids, and is a net that seems to me to be cast pretty wide. If you don’t already, you should go to your local EAA chapter and volunteer with their outreach and expand the net to your liking.
Old 04-11-2021 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
Saying that a role model has to “look like them” is saying that a certain race or gender is an inherent required trait someone has to have to be considered a role model. That perpetuates identity politics and is a clear example of judging people by their race/gender (racism/sexism), the exact opposite of what we should be doing as a society. I had several black role models growing up. They didn’t look like me. And that didn’t matter.

Minorities and women have been flying commercially and in the military for a long time. If you can’t find a role model in aviation in 2021 (that is, if one of your requirements for a role model is that they have the same skin pigment and genitalia as you), then you aren’t looking.
You shouldn’t bother responding to me anymore. You spoiled the possibility of an actual conversation.
Old 04-11-2021 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
You shouldn’t bother responding to me anymore. You spoiled the possibility of an actual conversation.
If your arguments were solid, then you wouldn’t hesitate to make them. But as soon as you get called out for your statement that someone has to be a certain (the same) race to be a role model (isn’t that judging someone by the color of their skin?), you disengage. Got it. See ya.

edited to add: I just got woke from your comments and realized my mixed ethnicity kids won’t see me as a role model since I’m white. Any suggestions on where I can find a mixed ethnicity role model for them? Not a lot of people with their particular percentages running around who “look like them.” I guess they are doomed since they can’t have role models? See how asinine your position sounds yet?

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Old 04-11-2021 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
If your arguments were solid, then you wouldn’t hesitate to make them. But as soon as you get called out for your statement that someone has to be a certain (the same) race to be a role model (isn’t that judging someone by the color of their skin?), you disengage. Got it. See ya.

edited to add: I just got woke from your comments and realized my mixed ethnicity kids won’t see me as a role model since I’m white. Any suggestions on where I can find a mixed ethnicity role model for them? Not a lot of people with their particular percentages running around who “look like them.” I guess they are doomed since they can’t have role models? See how asinine your position sounds yet?
again, you lost any chance at a reasonable discussion. You’re wasting your breath typing that.
Old 04-11-2021 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
You shouldn’t bother responding to me anymore. You spoiled the possibility of an actual conversation.
...you two married?
Old 04-11-2021 | 10:39 AM
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All the people who are advocating for this type of discrimination, claiming that minorities don’t have enough role models to inspire them.

I’m a white guy. I had not a single person in my family in aviation. I always saw airplanes and thought, “I want to be a pilot one day.” Never met an airline pilot until the day I went to college for flight training. Imagine that, she was a woman. Literally didn’t matter to anyone. What mattered is she was smart, intelligent, and a great teacher.
My parents never pushed me to fly; in fact they didn’t even know how to help me get a license, I had to figure it out on my own with Google. I had to work 2-3 jobs to pay for my flight training. I did it on my own and worked hard. Scholarships would have been nice, but the reality is it’s much harder for an average white male to win any of those.

Wake up and expect people to take responsibility for their actions and stop trying to be a savior, for real. I’ve literally never met someone who said, “oh, I can’t be a pilot. I’m black and I don’t think black people can be pilots.”

My dad was in sheet metal construction, my mom was a 2nd grade teacher. We didn’t have a lot of money. They pushed me to do well in school cuz they wanted us to have a better financial life than they did


Also this idea that you can’t have role modes of a different race, what the heck? I have many black, Asian, women etc, role models. Since when did ethnicity determine a person’s ability to be a role model? Give me a break

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Old 04-11-2021 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
Over 2 million rides given (all donated by volunteers) and it’s all over the country, with no real barriers to entry. How is that limited and a very narrow net? It’s one part of many organizations that do outreach and give exposure, and in this case it is to literally anybody who wants it, at no cost to the kids, and is a net that seems to me to be cast pretty wide. If you don’t already, you should go to your local EAA chapter and volunteer with their outreach and expand the net to your liking.
it’s a narrow net, ok! Narrow! Bunch of Pasty old BOOMERs showcasing their white privilege.

-sarcasm off-

Young Eagles is an outstanding program. I strongly recommend volunteering if you can. Very rewarding to see the effect on the kids. Same with aviation charter schools, they’re always looking for guest speakers and role models.
Old 04-11-2021 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
again, you lost any chance at a reasonable discussion. You’re wasting your breath typing that.
Yet here you are responding, but with nothing of substance to support your assertion that one can only have a role model who is the same skin color.

If I said “I would only look up to a white person because I’m white,” and that I wouldn’t consider to be role models the Tuskegee airmen, Michael Jordan, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Tiger Woods (formerly, and in limited capacity now due to some of his personal issues, but one of my childhood role models nonetheless), and many others I’ve looked up to in my life, because “they didn’t look like me,” you would (rightfully) call me a racist, because I would be judging someone and limiting their influence on me solely because of their skin color. When I call you on advocating for the same, you no longer want to discuss it. Hmmm.

You want to express/impose your beliefs that people can only look up to those who are of the same race. I grew up using MLK’s “judge people by their character, not the color of their skin” idea as a moral compass. Why are you advocating for judging, dividing and separating, and treating people differently based on their skin color? Isn’t that going back many decades with race relations? I guess that’s 2021 “progress” though.
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