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Old 04-10-2021 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by F2m185
Really, is that so? Another interesting take, of course substantiated by all of the evidence you provide for that opinion. You have all of the answers it seems, so long as it runs parallel to a political ideology. Just wondering, do you also apply the same logic to BLM? What about Antifa?

https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/marxis...zy-la-enclave/
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Old 04-10-2021 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
If you’ve never had a chief pilot at a flight school or a 135 ask for a blow job in exchange for getting hired, or a DPE ask for sex in exchange to pass a check ride, then kindly excuse yourself from the discussion.

Most of the female pilots I know have had both and more than once. Discrimination in this industry wasn’t that long ago, and word got around. Glad to see someone doing something about it.
So you have to experience something to be able to have an opinion on it? “If you’ve never been murdered, you may not participate in a discussion about murder.” Makes sense.

Also, most female pilots I know have not had either of those things happen. In fact I’m willing to bet occurrences like that are a tiny fraction of interactions between male evaluators or interviewers with female applicants, and in line with the percentage of those types of interactions in any other workplace outside of aviation (no data to back that up, but I’ve never heard of some rampant BJ seeking culture in the checkride world, and I don’t buy it). And, I assume each time it occurred with all the female pilots you know, the checkride/interview was stopped, cops called, and the said perp arrested, or supervisors informed, etc? If I went to go take a check ride or interview and some dude told me I had to blow him to pass, that’d be a pretty easy problem set to deal with for me, regardless of my gender.
Old 04-10-2021 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by WhistlePig
I curious as to how you think that can be proven without interfering with a Company’s right to hire who the wish based on the “fit” of a candidate for example. How would you prove the violation in your hypothetical?
Because United announced they're hiring based on race and gender.
Old 04-10-2021 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchtrim
Because United announced they're hiring based on race and gender.
No they didn’t, and even if they did, a mere announcement is not sufficient. No one has been harmed. But more importantly, that is not what United announced.
Old 04-10-2021 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
Mods. Can you please just shut down this entire website? It has hit rock bottom and started digging.
Another one??

Dear self appointed Hall monitor(s), this is a place for people to openly exchange ideas. They used to do this on college campuses until speakers were run off, or assaulted, by arbiters of truth who decided what others were ‘allowed’ to hear.

Apparently the Mods don’t share your need to ‘cancel’ whatever discussions you deem disagreeable. If hearing other perspectives upsets you, then I suggest you stop reading and go to your safe space. In the meantime, if it’s ok with you, other less sensitive APC participants might like to continue having an adult conversation.
Old 04-10-2021 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
If you’ve never had a chief pilot at a flight school or a 135 ask for a blow job in exchange for getting hired, or a DPE ask for sex in exchange to pass a check ride, then kindly excuse yourself from the discussion.

Most of the female pilots I know have had both and more than once. Discrimination in this industry wasn’t that long ago, and word got around. Glad to see someone doing something about it.
Right on cue.

Not saying it never happened but to say ‘most, and more than once” sounds like a gross exaggeration. I’ve been in the business for decades and have many female pilot friends. Never heard it. Not to say there aren’t desperate low-life’s out there, but don’t think men are the only ones that use sex as a tool, or weapon, or that it’s limited to aviation.

“One academic study showed that as many as 40 percent of sexual assault charges are false”.
https://apnews.com/article/b5c40b513...app1%26hl%3Den

The difference today being that woman are to be believed without question which could be scary if you’re a male instructor or check airman with United’s ambitious recruitment and training plans. It only takes one accusation or harassment complaint these days...

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Old 04-10-2021 | 03:31 PM
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UAL introduces a LONG term program that will allow them to groom future unionized employees as they see fit from the get-go. Said employees will have an astonishing amount of enthusiasm for Mother U once they get their "Wings with Elroy".

Todd goes along with it. He has his eyes on a desk in Willis or, HERNDON. (What a joke, but that's another thread)

Pilots on APC wax political and use all their big "woke" words in a fit of PC umbrage. Spittle and snot fly into space! Pilots forget that all they do is fly the shiny machines.

Rush smiles in his grave.

45 pages!

Kirby and the board laugh.
Old 04-10-2021 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicCarhop
Do you believe that men are inherently better pilots than women? I'm guessing (and would agree) the answer is no.

So why are there 10 male pilots at United for every 1 female? Because the pool of candidates to work at a major airline currently only allows for that.

The announcement by United isn't a quota to hire a certain number of female mainline pilots. It's a goal to have a certain percentage of female/minority candidates into their Aviate pipeline program by breaking down barriers to entry and partnering with non-traditional sources for recruiting.

Down the line this will eventually expand and improve the hiring pool for pilots at major airlines, where pilots will continue to be hired based on skills and qualifications.
Goals become quotas. And it becomes an exploitation of women, pushing them into showpieces regardless of if they are really qualified or not for the advancement of their (usually male) seniors.

See Kara Hultgreen.
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Old 04-10-2021 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmako
UAL introduces a LONG term program that will allow them to groom future unionized employees as they see fit from the get-go. Said employees will have an astonishing amount of enthusiasm for Mother U once they get their "Wings with Elroy".

Todd goes along with it. He has his eyes on a desk in Willis or, HERNDON. (What a joke, but that's another thread)

Pilots on APC wax political and use all their big "woke" words in a fit of PC umbrage. Spittle and snot fly into space! Pilots forget that all they do is fly the shiny machines.

Rush smiles in his grave.

45 pages!

Kirby and the board laugh.
I was going to comment with something along these lines but you have absolutely nailed it!
Old 04-10-2021 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluewaffle
why does it have to be anyone’s fault? All I’m saying is you’re never going to have a real impact in motivating the next generation until you hire people that look like them. That’s true for all professions, including the ones you mentioned
So long as it matters what a role model "looks like", the concerned party's are guilty of perpetuating a racist/sexist environment.

What about mentoring a child of any race or sex, and letting them know they're capable of ANYTHING? Then helping them down their dream path? With the right mentoring/motivation, kids don't need someone that looks like them to look up to!

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